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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I think the team is in a different spot today than it was in 2011, even though most fans didn’t recognize that the 2011 team had already developed the core of a winning team.   

The thing I remember Duquette saying repeatedly in his early interviews was (paraphrasing): “the thing I really like about this team is it’s very strong up the middle with Wieters, Hardy and Jones.”   Contrast that to now where we have huge question marks at C, SS and CF (not to mention just about everywhere else).    And of course, that team had a rock-solid presence in RF, and a secret weapon about to burst on the scene at 3B.    The team Elias inherits has none of that.    He’s coming into a far worse situation in terms of the talent on the club.    So, he can’t take Duquette’s win now approach.   

That said, he has the advantage of a clearer leadership structure that Duquette never had, and I think both ownership and the fans will be a little less desperate for short term success, having only endured two losing seasons instead of 14.   So, the conditions are good to try to build a sustainable long term contender.    Good luck to him.

In 2011 we had a bunch of drafts with a top 5 pick and had Jones, Markakis, and Hardy in their prime..  Now we have a whole lot of nothing.

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Duquette was in building mode from the day he was hired.   He added to the core on players that MacPhail has collected to become an immediate contender.

Elias will remain in tear down mode of at least the first year to take existing assets and trade them for young prospects to fuel the rebuild IMO.

 Elias and Duquette begin/began their Orioles careers at different parts of the build cycle.

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1 hour ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

Specifically their philosophy for building a team. While here, Dan made it clear that he wanted the club to be competitive short term while drafting and developing well. Didn't turn out that way but that's what he said. Elias comes from Houston that had several terrible years followed by really good ones. Are we to assume short term failure on the MLB level for long term success?

I can't or won't compare them. I will wait till we will see how things work out. I'm glad they hired ME. 

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I think we really have to wait and see what Elias does and how.

Theo Epstein benefited in Boston from what DD did before leaving. DD benefited here because of AM's trades. Luhnow and Elias group benfited in Houston from Wade and B. Heck group efforts. 
I guess the question is what Elias does with what DD has left behind ? I think DD really improved the minor league system for the Orioles. Graham and Rajsich not to be left out.

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45 minutes ago, whjoe said:

I think we really have to wait and see what Elias does and how.

Theo Epstein benefited in Boston from what DD did before leaving. DD benefited here because of AM's trades. Luhnow and Elias group benfited in Houston from Wade and B. Heck group efforts. 
I guess the question is what Elias does with what DD has left behind ? I think DD really improved the minor league system for the Orioles. Graham and Rajsich not to be left out.

I agree with this quite a bit. 

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