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Say they could be had on 1 year deals, who would you prefer? Donaldson has a higher upside and could bring a nice return at the deadline if he regains what he was pre-injur6.

Moustakas has been consistent in what he is and has stayed healthier than Donaldson.  I would like the Orioles to sign a guy like Donaldson and maybe Jose Iglesious to play SS.

Keep in mind, the Moustakas and Donaldson idea is solely for trade bait. I have no unrealistic ideas that they are contending with either.

Baltimore has always been a place where hitters seem to be able to turn their careers around. Well, until we give them long-term deals after.

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This is exactly what the Yankees did with Alodris Chapman the year the Cubbies won it.  You're banking on them to be trade-able.   I don't have a problem with fliers like these, but they can't be too expensive and I would think that it would be a more suitable idea when we were on the verge of contention with maybe some "disposable" cash.  I don't think we have that right now, but I love these kinds of ideas and I no longer feel alone having them.??

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39 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

Say they could be had on 1 year deals, who would you prefer? Donaldson has a higher upside and could bring a nice return at the deadline if he regains what he was pre-injur6.

Moustakas has been consistent in what he is and has stayed healthier than Donaldson.  I would like the Orioles to sign a guy like Donaldson and maybe Jose Iglesious to play SS.

Keep in mind, the Moustakas and Donaldson idea is solely for trade bait. I have no unrealistic ideas that they are contending with either.

Baltimore has always been a place where hitters seem to be able to turn their careers around. Well, until we give them long-term deals after.

Nope. 

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2 minutes ago, drjohnnyfeva said:

This is exactly what the Yankees did with Alodris Chapman the year the Cubbies won it.  You're banking on them to be trade-able.   I don't have a problem with fliers like these, but they can't be too expensive and I would think that it would be a more suitable idea when we were on the verge of contention with maybe some "disposable" cash.  I don't think we have that right now, but I love these kinds of ideas and I no longer feel alone having them.??

When you have money to burn you can play this game. 

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Well, both were traded midseason last year, Moustakas (traded 7/31) netting two young major leaguers who had both been top 100 prospects as of 2016 or later, and Donaldson (traded 8/31) netting a 25-year old pitcher in AA.   Donaldson had been on the DL for a considerable period prior to the trade and did not play until Sept. 11.    

I think Donaldson is higher risk, potentially higher reward if he’s healthy.    I’m guessing that despite his health risks, he’ll cost more.   MLBTR says 1/$20 mm for Donaldson, 2/$16 mm for Moustakas.

If we were inclined to play this game (which I very much doubt), Donaldson would be too expensive and risky for my taste.   Moustakas would be a more modest risk with less potential upside.  I’d go with him, if forced to choose.    

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I’m probably the only one excited to see what Núñez can do over a full season. If we spend any money at all on a one year FA I’m going with a SP. If one of Cobb, Bundy, or Cashner miss significant time it’s going to be rough. Well...it’s gonna be rough either way but you know what I mean. 

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4 hours ago, Dark Helmet said:

Say they could be had on 1 year deals, who would you prefer? Donaldson has a higher upside and could bring a nice return at the deadline if he regains what he was pre-injur6.

Moustakas has been consistent in what he is and has stayed healthier than Donaldson.  I would like the Orioles to sign a guy like Donaldson and maybe Jose Iglesious to play SS.

Keep in mind, the Moustakas and Donaldson idea is solely for trade bait. I have no unrealistic ideas that they are contending with either.

Baltimore has always been a place where hitters seem to be able to turn their careers around. Well, until we give them long-term deals after.

I'd rather see the team invest that money in their infrastructure. We're going to lose with or without Donaldson or Moustakas. It would just be a sad desperate attempt to sell tickets to those few fans who have been living under a rock. 

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5 hours ago, olddogger said:

Absolutely neither!

 

If we are committed to a rebuild why flush cash down the drain to move the needle a few games (possibly costing a place of two in the 2020 draft!)

I clearly said it wasn't to impact wins or losses. Moving the needle a few games probably won't jeopardize their draft standing either way. They are going to be bad.

 

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1 hour ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I'd rather see the team invest that money in their infrastructure. We're going to lose with or without Donaldson or Moustakas. It would just be a sad desperate attempt to sell tickets to those few fans who have been living under a rock. 

Actually, there are more fans living under rocks than you think. Read the MASN and Orioles social media pages.

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5 hours ago, Dark Helmet said:

Say they could be had on 1 year deals, who would you prefer? Donaldson has a higher upside and could bring a nice return at the deadline if he regains what he was pre-injur6.

Moustakas has been consistent in what he is and has stayed healthier than Donaldson.  I would like the Orioles to sign a guy like Donaldson and maybe Jose Iglesious to play SS.

Keep in mind, the Moustakas and Donaldson idea is solely for trade bait. I have no unrealistic ideas that they are contending with either.

Baltimore has always been a place where hitters seem to be able to turn their careers around. Well, until we give them long-term deals after.

I guess it comes down to - would the prospects they expect to get in return be worth the money to sign Moustakas or Donaldson. How would the prospects they get back compare to what the O's could just sign on the International Market for the same amount of money? That's not accounting for the risk that they get hurt or perform below expectations, too.

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28 minutes ago, theocean said:

I guess it comes down to - would the prospects they expect to get in return be worth the money to sign Moustakas or Donaldson. How would the prospects they get back compare to what the O's could just sign on the International Market for the same amount of money? That's not accounting for the risk that they get hurt or perform below expectations, too.

Moustakas got 2 prospects that were former top 100 prospects. I doubt your getting that in the international market this late in the game. But you never know.

Your point is valid. Is the risk worth the reward. I'd never go the 1/20 Donaldson is predicted to get. And I doubt anyone will guarantee that. Incentives will be a big part of his deal.

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5 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

Actually, there are more fans living under rocks than you think. Read the MASN and Orioles social media pages.

I'm not that surprised, but I think the casual fan attending games will be more tied to the team winning then the team signing a player like Donaldson or Moustakas. I just don't think either of them can help put a dent in the win / loss record that's on the horizon. I also don't think the Orioles are a team savvy enough to flip a player for a big return. At least not yet. 

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