New Rankings with Rule 5 guys

[now]

1 hour ago, hoosiers said:

Have to like these two additions.  Disagree with a chuckle that there is "no big impact" to adding a top 15 prospect rated a few slots behind a recent supplemental first rounder and ahead of supplemental second rounder - basically for free.  We'll see the impact on the field.

Yes, of course, on the field. If he's an Ozzie Smith, Vizquel, or Belanger, big impact! Ryan Flaherty, not so much. Plus he's got Grenier four spots ahead of him (on that list) and Carmona right behind.

Great to have multiple options and possible ceilings, for sure!

[Luke-OH]

Does anyone here think any team actually has a 50 on Richie Martin? 

[Frobby]

12 minutes ago, now said:

Yes, of course, on the field. If he's an Ozzie Smith, Vizquel, or Belanger, big impact! Ryan Flaherty, not so much. 

I’m thinking Hechavarria, if we’re lucky.  

[now]

12 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’m thinking Hechavarria, if we’re lucky.  

Peak OPS+ 92; Career (7 seasons) OPS+ 75, oWAR 3, dWAR 6.

pretty meh...

[Luke-OH]

58 minutes ago, now said:

Peak OPS+ 92; Career (7 seasons) OPS+ 75, oWAR 3, dWAR 6.

pretty meh...

If the Athletics thought he could be Hechavarria, he would have been protected. So, that would be a good outcome. 

[Can_of_corn]

13 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

If the Athletics thought he could be Hechavarria, he would have been protected. So, that would be a good outcome. 

Statements like that are why I refuse to get excited by rule V players and am generally against adding them to the team.

 

 

[Luke-OH]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Statements like that are why I refuse to get excited by rule V players and am generally against adding them to the team.

I don't think you should get excited about them, but I think with the state of the projected 25 man roster, Martin and Jackson are probably upgrades right away over Wilkerson and Valera. Jackson I'd say has maybe a 10%ish chance of being a regular. So while not exciting, it's useful and more upside than the players they may supplant. 

[Enjoy Terror]

 

[Luke-OH]

4 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

 

I saw that and was kind of surprised Araujo made their top 30. 

[now]

34 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

I don't think you should get excited about them, but I think with the state of the projected 25 man roster, Martin and Jackson are probably upgrades right away over Wilkerson and Valera. Jackson I'd say has maybe a 10%ish chance of being a regular. So while not exciting, it's useful and more upside than the players they may supplant. 

I note that 2080 had Martin first among their predraft infielders, then Wong, VanMeter, and Jackson. Of Martin they say he's a top overall pick, but even at that, he has the "ceiling of a borderline regular, likely a safer bet to profile as a solid role player."

[Can_of_corn]

44 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

I don't think you should get excited about them, but I think with the state of the projected 25 man roster, Martin and Jackson are probably upgrades right away over Wilkerson and Valera. Jackson I'd say has maybe a 10%ish chance of being a regular. So while not exciting, it's useful and more upside than the players they may supplant. 

I'm not sure I overly care about who the placeholders are.

I don't think the roster inflexibility is worth the advantages.

[Luke-OH]

3 minutes ago, now said:

I note that 2080 had Martin first among their predraft infielders, then Wong, VanMeter, and Jackson. Of Martin they say he's a top overall pick, but even at that, he has the "ceiling of a borderline regular, likely a safer bet to profile as a solid role player."

First, they didn't do a ranking. They did three tiers, top of crop, other notables, and long shots. Wong, VanMeter, Jackson, and Martin are all in the same tier.

So a regular is a 50, so they are saying his ceiling is like a 45 or a tad more and a safer bet to profile as a solid role player which is a 40. 

So assuming there is some risk of him not becoming a solid role player, which is almost always the case, that makes him a low/moderate risk FV 40 with a reasonable ceiling as a 45, which is actually exactly how I'd grade him. 

[Jammer7]

Martin has been plagued by nagging knee injuries since being drafted. Not saying that he’s a future all star, but he may surprise some if he can just get healthy and come to spring training in the kind of shape you would hope he should be. If he comes in around 200 lbs, he’ll be going back to Oakland. He needs to get leaner, and embrace that athleticism he has. He needs a great spring and get off to a good start. 

[connja]

Looks like a much deeper system than even a year ago.  Pretty confident at least the top 15 have the talent to be mlb contributors. wasn't able to say that til now.  and some others as well, like Klien and Stewart.

 

 

[Rene88]

9 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Statements like that are why I refuse to get excited by rule V players and am generally against adding them to the team.

 

 

We all know how you feel on the subject:)