I think we are better than the Tigers

[atomic]

3 hours ago, foxfield said:

Well, we had a great bullpen right up until we got Elias...he is killing this team.  

Mike Elias:  Hold my beer!

 

(Did I do it right?)

These posts are childish.  

[DrungoHazewood]

23 minutes ago, atomic said:

Cool that you have been to Ingolstadt.  I have a beer stein from my Great Grandfather commemorating his military service in Ingolstadt division.  Did you like Ingolstadt? Was it worth visiting. 

We were only there for the afternoon.  Took the train up from Munich, walked around for a bit, went to a match at the Audi Sportpark.  It look like a nice small city, fairly typical German or Bavarian architecture.  The Danube runs through, very pretty. The local team is called "Die Schanzer", which means something like "people who build forts", so I think they have some kind of a military history.

[DrungoHazewood]

21 minutes ago, atomic said:

I was talking about foreign fans.  No one from America is going to pick out a bad 3rd division team to support.  Maybe their fans have been supporting them since first division.  Looks like they were averaging over 40k fans a year not too long ago.  

I started rooting for 1860 because a) they weren't Bayern, and b) they had a cool looking away kit in 2000 and they were fairly successful in the 1. Bundesliga.  They were in the then-equivalent of the Europa League in the early 2000s.  1860 fans are like a lot of soccer or sports fans in general - they grew up rooting for the local side.  1860 won the Bundesliga in 1966, but have been up and down over the years.  They've been around since 1848 (sort of - they were disbanded in the midst of the 1848 revolutions that swept Europe, reconstituted in 1860, added soccer to their gymnastics and other athletics in the 1890s).  It's common in Europe to have multi-generational fans of lower division teams both because people root for the local team, and they were often in higher divisions in the past.  In England you have fathers/sons/grandfathers all rooting for Nottingham Forest or Yeovil Town or Kidderminster Harriers because that's who great-grandpa followed.

Also, we talk about how nobody wants to support a losing team.  You emphasize over and over how nobody wants to see a 55-win Oriole team.  I guess that depends on the fanbase.  1860 fans are still rabid after being dropped to the fourth division.

[atomic]

10 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I started rooting for 1860 because a) they weren't Bayern, and b) they had a cool looking away kit in 2000 and they were fairly successful in the 1. Bundesliga.  They were in the then-equivalent of the Europa League in the early 2000s.  1860 fans are like a lot of soccer or sports fans in general - they grew up rooting for the local side.  1860 won the Bundesliga in 1966, but have been up and down over the years.  They've been around since 1848 (sort of - they were disbanded in the midst of the 1848 revolutions that swept Europe, reconstituted in 1860, added soccer to their gymnastics and other athletics in the 1890s).  It's common in Europe to have multi-generational fans of lower division teams both because people root for the local team, and they were often in higher divisions in the past.  In England you have fathers/sons/grandfathers all rooting for Notthingham Forest or Yeovil Town or Kidderminster Harriers because that's who great-grandpa followed.

Funny back in 2010 a friend and I were looking for a Premier league team to support and I picked Manchester City as I liked their uniforms. They had just finished in 5th place but were acquiring some good players. .

[DrungoHazewood]

5 minutes ago, atomic said:

Funny back in 2010 a friend and I were looking for a Premier league team to support and I picked Manchester City as I liked their uniforms. They had just finished in 5th place but were acquiring some good players. .

I root for Tottenham because they had Clint Dempsey and Brad Friedel, and aren't owned by a Saudi or Russian oligarch, or a former Southeast Asian dictator, or the Red Sox (as is the case with Arsenal).  I considered Fulham, but they were on the verge of relegation, sold all their Americans, and I decided 1860 was all I could handle rooting for but never watching on US TV.

[atomic]

1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I root for Tottenham because they had Clint Dempsey and Brad Friedel, and aren't owned by a Saudi or Russian oligarch, or a former Southeast Asian dictator, or the Red Sox (as is the case with Arsenal).  I considered Fulham, but they were on the verge of relegation, sold all their Americans, and I decided 1860 was all I could handle rooting for but never watching on US TV.

See if you picked a good team you could be watching them in the Champions league which has all the games broadcast on US TV.

[DrungoHazewood]

17 minutes ago, atomic said:

See if you picked a good team you could be watching them in the Champions league which has all the games broadcast on US TV.

Was that supposed to be funny? Spurs - Liverpool, Champions League Final, Saturday, 3pm Eastern time.

[Moose Milligan]

Soccer????????????

[atomic]

2 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Was that supposed to be funny? Spurs - Liverpool, Champions League Final, Saturday, 3pm Eastern time.

No. You said you couldn't watch 1860 games on American TV.  Totenham's Premier league games are on American TV.   

[wildbillhiccup]

On 5/27/2019 at 5:15 PM, SteveA said:

Starting pitching: we have 3 guys who have been giving us cpetitive starts every five games, they have 3 as well (Boyd, Turnbull, Norris).

Bullpen: both are awful, among the 5 highest ERAs in MLB.  Our stats are worse, although I think getting rid of Wright has helped improve us a bit from our overall season #s.

Our lineup isn't great but it's better than the pathetic Tiger lineup which is clearly worst in the league.  Just 41 HRs on the season, loaded with guys who can't hit.

Defense?  Obviously we have our flaws but their infield defense is bad, ours is competent.

We have made our share of stupid, poor fundamental plays in May (not many in April though as I remember).  But Detroit seems to make as many in a game as we make in 3 games.

So why is our record about 4 games worse than their s?  Well, there are clearly 6 quality contending teams in the AL (Hou NYY Bo's Cle Minn TB).  We have played 35 against those teams, Detroit has played 16.  Neither of us has faced a quality NL team yet.

So I feel they may wind up being as big a competitor as anyone for the 2020 #1 overall pick.  I really feel they are putting a worse

The Orioles pitching staff has given up 337 runs so far this season in 492.2 innings. The Tigers pitching staff has given up 280 runs in 481.2 innings. That is a HUGE difference. The Orioles are BY FAR the worst team in MLB right now. They're awful. Historically awful. Especially their pitching. 

[HowAboutThat]

Apparently… We are not.

[Going Underground]

3 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

The Orioles pitching staff has given up 337 runs so far this season in 492.2 innings. The Tigers pitching staff has given up 280 runs in 481.2 innings. That is a HUGE difference. The Orioles are BY FAR the worst team in MLB right now. They're awful. Historically awful. Especially their pitching. 

Also the Tigers have lost three of their projected starters.Moore,Fullmer and Zimmerman. Two for the year.We shall see how the rest of the year plays out. 

[DrungoHazewood]

16 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

The Orioles pitching staff has given up 337 runs so far this season in 492.2 innings. The Tigers pitching staff has given up 280 runs in 481.2 innings. That is a HUGE difference. The Orioles are BY FAR the worst team in MLB right now. They're awful. Historically awful. Especially their pitching. 

The Orioles are allowing 0.8 runs/game more than the Tigers.  But they're scoring 0.6 runs/game more than the Tigers, who are slashing .225/.289/.368.

I assume some of that is park.  But there is some Comerica Park strangeness - this year especially but even over multiple years Comerica has played as a hitter's park despite its size and reputation.

The Mariners are actually allowing slightly more runs per game than the Orioles, amazingly.  They've given up about one unearned run per game, which in modern baseball is kind of comical.  If they were to keep up their pace they'd be the first team since the 1993 Expos to have unearned runs account for 15% or more of their total runs allowed. In modern baseball about 6-7% of runs are unearned.

In 1871 40% of runs were earned.