Despite speculation, Orioles not on the market to be moved or sold

[Redskins Rick]

14 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I just had a flashback to RShack telling us all, repeatedly, how hard and expensive it was to get high-def video trucks set up in the early days of MASN.  And how it was perfectly acceptable for the O's and Nats to be broadcast in 480i when every other team was in high-def.  

Which was still better than the early days of HTS, which I thought was great, getting all 162 games on TV, was pretty much unheard of, back in that time.

I would be up doing midnight feedings, and watching replays of the days game and not want to go back to bed.

[AnythingO's]

3 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Interesting.  How's it feel now?

I would do it again. Father had season tickets,  had relatives that worked for Colts. Move happened in dead of night, no notice to employees. City was negotiating to improve facilities. It was wrong and Mayflower had to know. I'm good with being an angry old man.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, AnythingO's said:

I would do it again. Father had season tickets,  had relatives that worked for Colts. Move happened in dead of night, no notice to employees. City was negotiating to improve facilities. It was wrong and Mayflower had to know. I'm good with being an angry old man.

Who cares what mayflower knew.

They are a business, and their business is moving items.

That would be like hating UPS for handling amazon prime packages.

 

[NashLumber]

1 hour ago, OFFNY said:

 

 

o

 

Also, it's not true that Ruth was traded for the financing of that play.

Ruth was traded in December of 1919, while the play No, No, Nanette was not even written until 1924, and did not come out until 1925.

Ruth essentially forced the trade with his incorrigible behavior, but as is the case with most legends of lore, the myth sounds sexier.

 

o

Well, smack my head. I’ve been perpetuating this myth since about 1919. 

[LookitsPuck]

Ah, the cycle of fake news being posted and the team having to waste brain cycles on dispelling a rumour based on terrible logic and hearsay. And then people rolling their eyes because the team is in a damned if you do ("of COURSE the team is going to say it's not relocating!") or don't ("WHY isn't the team dispelling this? IT MUST BE TRUE!").

Listen, giving any kind of attention to something founded on the son of the owner of the team having a house in a different state is just eye roll worthy.

Also, once again, screw Tennessee.

[Redskins Rick]

1 hour ago, LookitsPuck said:

Ah, the cycle of fake news being posted and the team having to waste brain cycles on dispelling a rumour based on terrible logic and hearsay. And then people rolling their eyes because the team is in a damned if you do ("of COURSE the team is going to say it's not relocating!") or don't ("WHY isn't the team dispelling this? IT MUST BE TRUE!").

Listen, giving any kind of attention to something founded on the son of the owner of the team having a house in a different state is just eye roll worthy.

Also, once again, screw Tennessee.

Doesn't take too much to whip the OH into a lather.

[interloper]

1 hour ago, LookitsPuck said:

Ah, the cycle of fake news being posted and the team having to waste brain cycles on dispelling a rumour based on terrible logic and hearsay. And then people rolling their eyes because the team is in a damned if you do ("of COURSE the team is going to say it's not relocating!") or don't ("WHY isn't the team dispelling this? IT MUST BE TRUE!").

Listen, giving any kind of attention to something founded on the son of the owner of the team having a house in a different state is just eye roll worthy.

Also, once again, screw Tennessee.

Agree. It wasn't news, it's barely a rumor, it's founded on the flimsiest and silliest of concepts, and there's a thousand reasons why it doesn't make sense from MLB's standpoint to the Angelos' standpoint to Tennessee's standpoint. I'm not sure why it gathered any steam at all, and the fact that it's been given any light here with multiple threads is unfortunate. I'll admit it's an interesting topic, though, and I understand the desire to talk about it as a theory and why it does/doesn't make sense. 

Also. When you've run the organization this poorly for this long and you have back-to-back record-setting losing seasons, you absolutely open yourself up to this kind of rank speculation. Plus click-hungry guys like Heyman will jump on to beat an organization while it's down because it's provocative. 

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

Agree. It wasn't news, it's barely a rumor, it's founded on the flimsiest and silliest of concepts, and there's a thousand reasons why it doesn't make sense from MLB's standpoint to the Angelos' standpoint to Tennessee's standpoint. I'm not sure why it gathered any steam at all, and the fact that it's been given any light here with multiple threads is unfortunate. 

BUT. When you've run the organization this poorly for this long and you have back-to-back record-setting losing seasons, you absolutely open yourself up to this kind of rank speculation. Plus click-hungry guys like Heyman will jump on to beat an organization while it's down because it's provocative. 

Don't forgot Ken [#IhaveanaxetogrindwithBaltimore] Rosenthal.

But, my mother's 2nd cousin, twice removed' boyfriend's roommates' sister, works for the Padres, and he assures me the team is moving.

[TonySoprano]

42 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Don't forgot Ken [#IhaveanaxetogrindwithBaltimore] Rosenthal.

But, my mother's 2nd cousin, twice removed' boyfriend's roommates' sister, works for the Padres, and he assures me the team is moving.

There was a time when San Diego almost moved to Washington for the 1974 season.    Joe Danzansky, who owned the Giant grocery chain, and a group of businessmen had an agreement to pay $12M for the team.  The Padres still had 15 years left on their original 20 year lease, so the city lawyers got busy.    In an unanimous vote, the N.L. owners agreed to the sale, provided they weren't on the hook for any monetary damages from the lawsuits.  Ray Kroc, of McDonald's fame and fortune, jumped in and paid $12M to keep the team in San Diego.

 

[NashLumber]

4 hours ago, OFFNY said:

 

 

o

 

Also, it's not true that Ruth was traded for the financing of that play.

Ruth was traded in December of 1919, while the play No, No, Nanette was not even written until 1924, and did not come out until 1925.

Ruth essentially forced the trade with his incorrigible behavior, but as is the case with most legends of lore, the myth sounds sexier.

 

o

Apparently it was a 1919 play that was later adapted to music as No, No Nannette. 

 

“A popular myth holds that the show was financed by selling baseball's Boston Red Sox superstar Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees, resulting in the "Curse of the Bambino."^[1]However, it was My Lady Friends, rather than No, No, Nanette, that was directly financed by the Ruth sale.“

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No,_No,_Nanette?wprov=sfti1

“Neither the lore, nor the debunking of it, entirely tells the story. As Leigh Montville wrote in The Big Bam: The Life and Times of Babe Ruth, the production No, No, Nanette had originated as a non-musical stage play called My Lady Friends, which opened on Broadway in December 1919.^[12]That play had, indeed, been financed as a direct result of the Ruth deal.^[13]Various researchers, including Montville and Shaughnessy, have pointed out that Frazee had close ties to the Yankees owners, and that many of the player deals, as well as the mortgage deal for Fenway Park itself, had to do with financing his plays.^[12]”

 

Montville, Leigh (2006). The Big Bam: The Life and Times of Babe Ruth. Random House. pp. 161–164.

 

Shaughnessy 1990, p. 33

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Bambino?wprov=sfti1

 

 

[OFFNY]

26 minutes ago, NashLumber said:

 

Apparently it was a 1919 play that was later adapted to music as No, No Nannette. 

 

“A popular myth holds that the show was financed by selling baseball's Boston Red Sox superstar Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees, resulting in the "Curse of the Bambino."^[1]However, it was My Lady Friends, rather than No, No, Nanette, that was directly financed by the Ruth sale.“

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No,_No,_Nanette?wprov=sfti1

“Neither the lore, nor the debunking of it, entirely tells the story. As Leigh Montville wrote in The Big Bam: The Life and Times of Babe Ruth, the production No, No, Nanette had originated as a non-musical stage play called My Lady Friends, which opened on Broadway in December 1919.^[12]That play had, indeed, been financed as a direct result of the Ruth deal.^[13]Various researchers, including Montville and Shaughnessy, have pointed out that Frazee had close ties to the Yankees owners, and that many of the player deals, as well as the mortgage deal for Fenway Park itself, had to do with financing his plays.^[12]”

 

Montville, Leigh (2006). The Big Bam: The Life and Times of Babe Ruth. Random House. pp. 161–164.

 

Shaughnessy 1990, p. 33

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Bambino?wprov=sfti1

 

 

o

 

Dan Shaughnessy was/is very biased against Frazee. Of all the people interviewed in the HBO Curse of the Bambino documentary, he appeared to be one of the least credible because of that.

Ruth was traded for primarily the reasons pointed out in that documentary (his incorrigible behavior, such as leaving the team for a game or 2 to pick up money barnstorming, getting drunk in brothels and having to be retrieved from the streets by team associates the next morning, etc), not for the financing of either one of those plays.

 

o

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 hour ago, TonySoprano said:

There was a time when San Diego almost moved to Washington for the 1974 season.    Joe Danzansky, who owned the Giant grocery chain, and a group of businessmen had an agreement to pay $12M for the team.  The Padres still had 15 years left on their original 20 year lease, so the city lawyers got busy.    In an unanimous vote, the N.L. owners agreed to the sale, provided they weren't on the hook for any monetary damages from the lawsuits.  Ray Kroc, of McDonald's fame and fortune, jumped in and paid $12M to keep the team in San Diego.

 

If the USPS has a softball team this would be their uniform. Blah. 

[TheOtherRipken]

4 hours ago, interloper said:

Agree. It wasn't news, it's barely a rumor, it's founded on the flimsiest and silliest of concepts, and there's a thousand reasons why it doesn't make sense from MLB's standpoint to the Angelos' standpoint to Tennessee's standpoint. I'm not sure why it gathered any steam at all, and the fact that it's been given any light here with multiple threads is unfortunate. I'll admit it's an interesting topic, though, and I understand the desire to talk about it as a theory and why it does/doesn't make sense. 

Also. When you've run the organization this poorly for this long and you have back-to-back record-setting losing seasons, you absolutely open yourself up to this kind of rank speculation. Plus click-hungry guys like Heyman will jump on to beat an organization while it's down because it's provocative. 

It was a rumor because John had been too vocal about his desire to do it and it finally leaked. Not saying its ever going to happen since John doesnt own the team and if he did can’t just do whatever he wants - but the rumor didnt come from the fact he has a house there.

 

I equate it to people that say things like “I’ve always wanted to live in Hawaii” bur you know 5% chance it ever happens.

[Dr. Unk]

On 8/15/2019 at 10:08 AM, TonySoprano said:

And Michael O-LES-kerrrrr wrote it about it.

That toolbag is still around?

[NashLumber]

5 hours ago, OFFNY said:

o

 

Dan Shaughnessy was/is very biased against Frazee. Of all the people interviewed in the HBO Curse of the Bambino documentary, he appeared to be one of the least credible because of that.

Ruth was traded for primarily the reasons pointed out in that documentary (his incorrigible behavior, such as leaving the team for a game or 2 to pick up money barnstorming, getting drunk in brothels and having to be retrieved from the streets by team associates the next morning, etc), not for the financing of either one of those plays.

 

o

Any opinion on Montville? Shaughnessy wasn’t alone in this opinion. I’m only familiar with Montville due to his Ted Williams bio.