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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

If they care about service time I think they would rather play him more next season.

I don't understand how anyone would think Elias wouldn't care about service time in a lost season like this with his premium prospects?

 

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Just now, Tony-OH said:

I don't understand how anyone would think Elias wouldn't care about service time in a lost season like this with his premium prospects?

 

There have been a lot of posters that want to see Mountcastle this year and that desire has them ignoring service time. I want 7 years of Mountcastle.

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6 minutes ago, wildcard said:

There have been a lot of posters that want to see Mountcastle this year and that desire has them ignoring service time. I want 7 years of Mountcastle.

You also aren’t forced to start him on Opening Day either way. He could stay at AAA for 3.5 weeks longer next year if he would have came up now. Not ideal but not crazy either. 

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4 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Eshelman will probably clear waivers and stay in the org if they choose

According to Statcast, Eshlemen has the following MLb perctile rating:

Fastball Velocity: 1%
Fastball spin: 0%
Curveball spin: 1%
His exit velocity allowed (90.5) xBA allowed (.303) and xSLG allowed (.526) are all significantly below average. 

Despite his above average command, he just doesn't have major league stuff.

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9 minutes ago, wildcard said:

There have been a lot of posters that want to see Mountcastle this year and that desire has them ignoring service time. I want 7 years of Mountcastle.

Yes, I've seen it, I just don't understand how an informed fan doesn't understand what's going on. If you spend time here they are an informed fan, which means they just are ignoring the facts.

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13 minutes ago, Philip said:

If he’s ready, he’s ready. I don’t really care about service time.

That's a short-sighted point of view that doesn't take into consideration all the reasons why you should care about service time. Thankfully we have a GM that is well-versed in a long-term plan for this organization and is not worried about this year at all.

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15 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

That's a short-sighted point of view that doesn't take into consideration all the reasons why you should care about service time. Thankfully we have a GM that is well-versed in a long-term plan for this organization and is not worried about this year at all.

Fair enough. My own feeling is that with effective drafting, we are always going to have guys in the system preparing to replace the guys we have on the big team. Much has been made of Mountcastle’s defensive limitations, and the need to find him a place to play. It is probable that in, say, four years, we will have better players and we can trade Mountcastle.

I think one thing the team should adopt is never keeping a player All the way to free agency. Either extend him or trade him after four.

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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Yes, I've seen it, I just don't understand how an informed fan doesn't understand what's going on. If you spend time here they are an informed fan, which means they just are ignoring the facts.

I understand it, I just don't agree with the thinking.  I think it sends a poor message to both Mountcastle and the other kids in the minors for a rather dubious long term advantage.

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3 hours ago, mdbdotcom said:

I expect Mountcastle. For a rebuilding team to have the International League Player of the Year and not call him up would squander a chance for him to get a taste of the big leagues and for fans to get a look at him. He may not play much, but he'll be interviewed and displayed and he'll get a feel for playing at this level. Even if he starts next season in Norfolk, bringing him up would be a lift for Mountcastle, the team and the fans.

And delay the date we can call him up next year without incurring a full year of service time. 

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I understand it, I just don't agree with the thinking.  I think it sends a poor message to both Mountcastle and the other kids in the minors for a rather dubious long term advantage.

The message Mountcastle should get is he can improve defensively and recognizing/controlling the strike zone.

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6 minutes ago, John Welch said:

The message Mountcastle should get is he can improve defensively and recognizing/controlling the strike zone.

Yea, no.

You can't honestly think he "hasn't mastered the level" as the league's MVP.

Even if he does have work to do would it be better for him to work on it in the majors or go home?  He ain't going to improve his strike zone judgment sitting on the front porch.

What this tells the kids in the minors is that this is a business and how they perform may or may not have any bearing on how they are promoted.

 

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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yea, no.

You can't honestly think he "hasn't mastered the level" as the league's MVP.

Even if he does have work to do would it be better for him to work on it in the majors or go home?  He ain't going to improve his strike zone judgment sitting on the front porch.

What this tells the kids in the minors is that this is a business and how they perform may or may not have any bearing on how they are promoted.

 

Yea, no.

You and I disagree. No big deal.

The kids in the minors are well aware this is a business. 

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