Markakis on Astros: "Every Single Guy Needs a Beating"

[makoman]

21 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He could sell his autograph for more if he was in the Hall.

 

9 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Or could he? Maybe he makes more on it since he's a pariah/martyr. 

Yeah, ultimately price should be driven by demand. For the generic player, adding "HOF" should add to the demand. Is that addition more or less than the notoriety of being banned? What does an autographed ball cost from a similar HOFer from that era? Or a squeaky clean HOFer Rose in an alternate dimension?

This suggests he is already at HOFer levels, though perhaps he could be charging even more. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/even-after-25-years-pete-roses-ban-from-baseball-is-money-in-the-bank/

Probably his best result would have been to be banned for a while to get that notoriety but then be reinstated

[GuidoSarducci]

On 2/18/2020 at 4:11 PM, atomic said:

How many players in the history of the MLB have had career injuries from brawls.  I have been to plenty of hockey games over the years and have seen a ton of fights from huge guys.  Guys like Chris Simon and Craig Berube were on the capitals at the same time and I never remember them giving anyone a career injury.  Two guys I wouldn’t want to get in a fight with.  

 

[eddie83]

20 minutes ago, SteveA said:

And I wonder if he got the whole truth.   Even if the players had immunity, it was still in their best interest from a PR point of view to admit to what they had to but no more.   I find it hard to believe cheating brought them a championship and then they just quit.   I wonder how thorough MLB's investigation was.   They say they  found no evidence of buzzers or of cheating in 2019.   But i wonder how hard they looked.   Both sides had a motivation to find as little as possible.  

What do you think was the best way to find out? Ask them to give themselves up with no benefit or offer immunity? 

Once again we only know about 2017 because a player on the team admitted to what happened. I doubt the Astros left the evidence of what they were doing laying around.  I don’t know how exactly MLB could investigate this after the fact and find out the truth. Only way I could see is if emails with details of the plot were found.   

I have no idea how MLB will ever find out anything about 2018 or 19 -if something did happen-  unless a player or team employee admits to it.  

[eddie83]

3 hours ago, atomic said:

I am not sure what you are trying to prove with this comment?  If someone did some cheating they should be suspended as well and be punished.  But some comment with no basis in fact and different from what the Astros were doing isn't much of an argument.  I am not sure why you are using it.   

 

My point is that teams were already using the replay rooms as a means to give batters the signs with a runner at 2nd base. Not saying it is nearly as serious of an offense. 

Curious how the Boston thing plays out.  

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

Huh.  You could say the same for Pete Rose.

It's very clear with Rose.  Bet on your team, banned for life.  He bet on his team.  The end.

[DrungoHazewood]

27 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Or could he? Maybe he makes more on it since he's a pariah/martyr. 

I think he's now the ultimate anti-hero of a certain group of malcontents and nihilists.  If he was in the Hall he'd just be one of 250 guys in the Hall.

[DrungoHazewood]

3 hours ago, atomic said:

I think Canseco is very truthful.  People called him a liar in the past but everything he said was proven true.  Of course you can't quantify how much it would help.  Or which one would help more.  

Canseco told all kinds of crazy, over-the-top tabloid stories that had a grain of truth hidden in there somewhere. Canseco is one of those people for whom the actual truth is too boring, his version of life needs to be more like a comic book.

[Moose Milligan]

6 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

It's very clear with Rose.  Bet on your team, banned for life.  He bet on his team.  The end.

I find it odd that given your proclivities for forward thinking and progressive change in baseball, you cling to the one archaic rule that's been broken once since 1919.  

[weams]

1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Canseco told all kinds of crazy, over-the-top tabloid stories that had a grain of truth hidden in there somewhere. Canseco is one of those people for whom the actual truth is too boring, his version of life needs to be more like a comic book.

He tweeted his phone number at one point and I would text him from time to time. Mostly nutty responses. 

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Canseco told all kinds of crazy, over-the-top tabloid stories that had a grain of truth hidden in there somewhere. Canseco is one of those people for whom the actual truth is too boring, his version of life needs to be more like a comic book.

Canseco isn't a likable guy, doesn't mean he wasn't telling the truth.  His stories might have been over the top but when you get him, Raffy, McGwire and Sosa in front of Congress...well, one of those guys was telling the truth and not hiding from what was going on.  Sure, he sold a book, maybe some of the stories were a bit over the top.  But just because he was the poster boy for PEDs doesn't make him a liar. 

[SteveA]

1 minute ago, weams said:

He tweeted his phone number at one point and I would text him from time to time. Mostly nutty responses. 

Actually met him once, after a game, my friends and I were at Hooters at the Inner Harbor and he was at the next table with some buddies.   They spoke to us for a few minutes and he seemed like a really nice down to earth, easy to talk to guy, actually.

Sat near his twin brother Ozzie in the Oriole Park bleachers for a game once, and just from overheard conversation, Ozzie seemed like a total self-absorbed d-bag.

[eddie83]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Canseco isn't a likable guy, doesn't mean he wasn't telling the truth.  His stories might have been over the top but when you get him, Raffy, McGwire and Sosa in front of Congress...well, one of those guys was telling the truth and not hiding from what was going on.  Sure, he sold a book, maybe some of the stories were a bit over the top.  But just because he was the poster boy for PEDs doesn't make him a liar. 

I think he told some of the truth. He never talked about Clemens who he is buddies with. 

[Beef Supreme]

1 hour ago, Chuck A said:

Charlie Hustle belongs in the HOF.  Period.

Even if his bet resulted in misusing a pitcher, resulting in injury or the end of a  career?

Even if his bet virtually assured a loss in the subsequent game or multiple games by abusing his bullpen, making key relievers unavailable?

Rose only deserves to enter the Hall of Fame on days that he buys a ticket.

[ExileAngelos]

6 hours ago, atomic said:

Canseco weighed on the scandal today.  Said that knowing what pitches were coming was a bigger advantage than being on steroids.  

Could not agree more.  It is not even close in my opinion.

[DrungoHazewood]

4 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

I find it odd that given your proclivities for forward thinking and progressive change in baseball, you cling to the one archaic rule that's been broken once since 1919.  

It's more than once.  And just because a rule is 130 years old doesn't make it bad or archaic.  Gambling has no place among people participating in high-level sports.  None.  I don't like it that the Padres and others advertise for casinos, or betting services are the shirt sponsors for soccer teams.