Tracking Ex Oriole Thread

[drjohnnyfeva]

Flare Dog replacing any of the injured IF guys early on would have been better continuity defensively than any of the dumpster dives that were in there.  You don't merely shrug off a quality IF glove.  Especially one that has worked with the players still there in the past.  Our IF DEF was dreadful all year and worse with injuries.  Ryan gets a bad rap because he's a sub par bat.  His fill-ins and JJ's absence in the IF this year have been underappreciated.

[Redskins Rick]

12 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Maybe he doesn't get along with his In-Laws?   Not everyone does.

So much for that conversation we had yesterday and sitting on the bench and watching the playoffs.

[Redskins Rick]

10 hours ago, drjohnnyfeva said:

Flare Dog replacing any of the injured IF guys early on would have been better continuity defensively than any of the dumpster dives that were in there.  You don't merely shrug off a quality IF glove.  Especially one that has worked with the players still there in the past.  Our IF DEF was dreadful all year and worse with injuries.  Ryan gets a bad rap because he's a sub par bat.  His fill-ins and JJ's absence in the IF this year have been underappreciated.

He played very well for the team, when he had full-time status, due to injuries.

He filled an important role for the team, back when they were competing.

[Ruzious]

11 hours ago, drjohnnyfeva said:

Flare Dog replacing any of the injured IF guys early on would have been better continuity defensively than any of the dumpster dives that were in there.  You don't merely shrug off a quality IF glove.  Especially one that has worked with the players still there in the past.  Our IF DEF was dreadful all year and worse with injuries.  Ryan gets a bad rap because he's a sub par bat.  His fill-ins and JJ's absence in the IF this year have been underappreciated.

You lost me with the bad rap part.  How is it a bad rap when it's true that he has a sub-par bat?  Yes, defense matters, but so does offense.  And at 32, Flaherty was no kind of good answer for the O's this season.  And if he had significant value, Atlanta would have traded him rather than release him.      

[Frobby]

8 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

You lost me with the bad rap part.  How is it a bad rap when it's true that he has a sub-par bat?  Yes, defense matters, but so does offense.  And at 32, Flaherty was no kind of good answer for the O's this season.  And if he had significant value, Atlanta would have traded him rather than release him.      

-0.8 rWAR, -0.3 fWAR.    Sub-replacement when you consider offense and defense combined.   

[tntoriole]

15 hours ago, InsideCoroner said:

‘Flash’back to all those posts made in April and May about what a mistake it was to let him go, how he was finally hitting with regular ABs, etc. 

OPS by month:

April .798

May .581

June .293

July .174

Exactly.   I knew watching all those absolutely terrible swings he had as an Oriole were not my imagination.  

[tntoriole]

44 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

He played very well for the team, when he had full-time status, due to injuries.

He filled an important role for the team, back when they were competing.

He could play different infield and outfield positions adequately which was needed due to injury, but he also got way too many at bats due to injury and at times was horrific at the plate.   Same reason he couldn’t stay in Atlanta.  He was not Mark Belanger in the field and if you are going to be as horrible at the plate as Flaherty was, and play even semi regularly, then you have to be much better in the field than he was. 

[Redskins Rick]

2 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

He could play different infield and outfield positions adequately which was needed due to injury, but he also got way too many at bats due to injury and at times was horrific at the plate.   Same reason he couldn’t stay in Atlanta.  He was not Mark Belanger in the field and if you are going to be as horrible at the plate as Flaherty was, and play even semi regularly, then you have to be much better in the field than he was. 

He played very well for Manny when Manny hurt his knee and in the playoffs.  in 2014, Sept.Oct, he had an OPS of .804

While he wasn't Manny at 3rd, he was still above average with the glove.

Hard to compare any SS to the Blade, which some say was the best glove at SS in the business, ever.

[drjohnnyfeva]

1 hour ago, Ruzious said:

You lost me with the bad rap part.  How is it a bad rap when it's true that he has a sub-par bat?  Yes, defense matters, but so does offense.  And at 32, Flaherty was no kind of good answer for the O's this season.  And if he had significant value, Atlanta would have traded him rather than release him.      

Call it a deficiency if you like.  Yet in the years where he was an injury fill-in and speller, his DEF was what kept him in there while the bats on the rest of the team filled his void at the plate.  Those IF's were among the league leaders.  This year, with our failures both at the plate and defensively, his OFF would have looked even worse for sure.  But our 27th in the league in IF efficiency (read it here someplace...) would have likely been a lot better, I'd say.

[Tony-OH]

Flaherty at one point had value to a winning team because he could super sub just about anywhere and play passable defense and occasionally hit a homer or go on a small hit streak. Unfortunately for him, he got too expensive for his value and his game slipped from its marginal skills in the first place. 

Luckily for us O's fans, we get to still watch Flaherty. He's just called Jace Peterson now.

[Ruzious]

22 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Flaherty at one point had value to a winning team because he could super sub just about anywhere and play passable defense and occasionally hit a homer or go on a small hit streak. Unfortunately for him, he got too expensive for his value and his game slipped from its marginal skills in the first place. 

Luckily for us O's fans, we get to still watch Flaherty. He's just called Jace Peterson now.

And Jace is lucky to be in the majors, imo.  

[TouchemAll]

20 hours ago, Rene88 said:

How long b4 we sign him?

Looks that that Atlanta FLASH in April has fallen back to Flash in Baltimore.

Please move on no matter how much Buck likes him.

 

 

[Redskins Rick]

11 minutes ago, TouchemAll said:

Looks that that Atlanta FLASH in April has fallen back to Flash in Baltimore.

Please move on no matter how much Buck likes him.

 

 

There is no need to.

[Tx Oriole]

18 minutes ago, TouchemAll said:

Looks that that Atlanta FLASH in April has fallen back to Flash in Baltimore.

Please move on no matter how much Buck likes him.

 

 

Please do. No more Flash in Baltimore. 

[Aglets]

Jace Peterson seems to be better than this 2018 version of Flaherty in every way.