Means to Have TJ surgery

[Going Underground]

This is what Roch wrote yesterday.You can smell that the team made him come up with this ridiculousness  

 

Roch update about Means. I guess the team let him release this. Not sure what he means lined up? Surgeons are sent the MRI and read the report and make recommendations.

What’s the latest with Means?

Means is getting other opinions. Doctors’ schedules didn’t line up in ideal fashion, so there’s been some dead time. The Orioles aren’t announcing a final decision because it hasn’t been made. They’re trying to get as much of a consensus as possible. Probably early next week.

[Moose Milligan]

When an athlete is getting other opinions, it’s obvious as to what is going on. They don’t like what they heard so they’re going to keep trying to find someone that will tell them what they want to hear.  That’s basic human nature, just tuning into whatever you want to hear and ignoring the rest. 
 

But I’m assuming Means and the Orioles couldn’t find any dissenting opinions from the first thing they heard. 
 

Oh well. 

[Going Underground]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

When an athlete is getting other opinions, it’s obvious as to what is going on. They don’t like what they heard so they’re going to keep trying to find someone that will tell them what they want to hear.  That’s basic human nature, just tuning into whatever you want to hear and ignoring the rest. 
 

But I’m assuming Means and the Orioles couldn’t find any dissenting opinions from the first thing they heard. 
 

Oh well. 

How is Dean Kremer? 10 day IL over two  weeks ago.

[Moose Milligan]

Just now, Going Underground said:

How is Dean Kremer? 10 day IL over two  weeks ago.

Don’t know, don’t care. Not to sound too callous but I don’t think Dean Kremer was in anyone’s plans this year or moving forward after this year. He kind of pitched his way out of being considered a piece for the future. 

[fansince71]

This is exactly what you'd expect being an O's fan. Number one Pitcher- hurt, number one prospect-hurt, number one player- off to a crappy start.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

2 minutes ago, fansince71 said:

This is exactly what you'd expect being an O's fan. Number one Pitcher- hurt, number one prospect-hurt, number one player- off to a crappy start.

 

 

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

2 hours ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

It would also buy some goodwill with the fanbase. I'd rather see money spent on John Means instead of signing the next Ubaldo Jimenez. 

Amen!

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

1 hour ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Means signed at a discount on a two or three year deal isn’t the same as overpaying Davis for seven years. 

Yeah. Straw man. 

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Means signed at a discount on a two or three year deal isn’t the same as overpaying Davis for seven years. 

I like Means a lot, but I would not extend him now.   I want to see how he looks when he returns.

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

Just now, wildcard said:

I like Means a lot, but I would not extend him now.   I want to see how he looks when he returns.

TJ isn’t the risk it once was. You are my fav poster on here but gotta disagree on this one (unless his agent is Boras).

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

TJ isn’t the risk it once was. You are my fav poster on here but gotta disagree on this one (unless his agent is Boras).

Probably because you are a risk taker and I am not.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Probably because you are a risk taker and I am not.

You can't take the Orioles into the playoffs without hitting on some risky moves.

[Frobby]

4 hours ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Agreed. Isn’t he a FA after next year? Why not try to lock him up given the circumstances?

He is not a free agent after next year.   This is his Arb 1 season.  

[Il BuonO]

2 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Don’t know, don’t care. Not to sound too callous but I don’t think Dean Kremer was in anyone’s plans this year or moving forward after this year. He kind of pitched his way out of being considered a piece for the future. 

Yup….I started off the Dean Kremer 2021 thread stating I was most excited to see him in that upcoming season. 

And then, I wasn’t.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

TJ isn’t the risk it once was.

Do you have evidence on this?   Obviously not the risk of 40 years ago, but what is the experience in the last 10?  I have no idea.   Our recent experience has been Bundy and Harvey, who had multiple other problems after their TJ.  In Means’ case, he’s had shoulder issues that have cost him 5-8 starts a year before this latest problem.   I’d say the odds are against him ever throwing 150+ innings in a year.   

That’s not to say I wouldn’t consider a deal that had some upside for us.  SG suggested 3/$13 mm with an option.   Something like that might be OK.