Are the FA DH players better than the O's prospects?

[tabletop]

The Orioles as a team last year were 20th in average, 22nd in OBP, and 20th in OPS. Those stats alone should tell you that there is a lot of room for improvement in the lineup.

Just to go based off the three that you mention:
Brantley - career .794 OPS
Abreu - career .860 OPS
Pederson - career .804 OPS

Orioles only had 3 players last season with an OPS over .750 and one of them was Gunnar Henderson who only played in 34 games.

Adding one or two of them to the mix would be a great addition and would allow the team to trade from their prospect pool and acquire better starting pitching. This is a team that was below average offensively last year and can use all the help it can get in the lineup. They should be signing 1 or 2 hitters as well as calling up prospects.

[jamalshw]

13 minutes ago, tabletop said:

The Orioles as a team last year were 20th in average, 22nd in OBP, and 20th in OPS. Those stats alone should tell you that there is a lot of room for improvement in the lineup.

Just to go based off the three that you mention:
Brantley - career .794 OPS
Abreu - career .860 OPS
Pederson - career .804 OPS

Orioles only had 3 players last season with an OPS over .750 and one of them was Gunnar Henderson who only played in 34 games.

Adding one or two of them to the mix would be a great addition and would allow the team to trade from their prospect pool and acquire better starting pitching. This is a team that was below average offensively last year and can use all the help it can get in the lineup. They should be signing 1 or 2 hitters as well as calling up prospects.

While I basically agree with your point, I think there's something to be said about the OPS numbers being down league wide last year and thus using each players' career OPS skews things a bit. 

Still, I agree with the premise here. I'm not sure I want Brantley (injuries) or Pederson (sub 100 OPS+ in 2020 and 2021). I do, however, like the idea of Abreu on a short-term contract. He only hit 15 homers last year, but still managed to put up a 133 OPS+ and .378 OBP. He also hits LHP better than RHP (which is a welcome skill for this team) and becomes the backup to Mountcastle at 1B if he gets injured or goes on an extended cold streak as he's prone to do. 

[wildcard]

21 minutes ago, Jim'sKid26 said:

If the O's sign an offensive player to a $10M contract, and he doesn't hit, and they play him every day it will be completely out of character for this O's administration. Could it happen? Sure. But we are not talking about Chris Davis level contracts here. I respectfully think your concern here is a bit exaggerated. 

If they sign of FA for 10M and he does not hit  well for two months then they may reduce his playing time.   But they are going to give him a long leash before they stop playing him regularly because of his track record.

[DrungoHazewood]

36 minutes ago, Frobby said:

There’s a difference between an FA you sign for $5 mm and one you sign for $20 mm.

And a difference between 1/5 and 4/80.

[Frobby]

Just for fun, Steamer already has some projections out for next year.   

Abreu .795

Brantley .749

Pederson .762

Santander .751

Stowers .741

Westburg .730

Norby .752

Cowser .726

Here is the Orioles’ projection page.
 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Frobby

[wildcard]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Just for fun, Steamer already has some projections out for next year.   

Abreu .795

Brantley .749

Pederson .762

Santander .751

Stowers .741

Westburg .730

Norby .752

Cowser .726

Here is the Orioles’ projection page.
 

So if  Norby projects for a .752 OPS at 700K and Pederson projects for a 762 OPS at 8M plus or minus,  which one should the O's play at DH?

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

So if  Norby projects for a .752 OPS at 700K and Pederson projects for a 762 OPS at 8M plus or minus,  which one should the O's play at DH?

Neither

[turtlebowl]

40 minutes ago, tabletop said:

The Orioles as a team last year were 20th in average, 22nd in OBP, and 20th in OPS. Those stats alone should tell you that there is a lot of room for improvement in the lineup.

Just to go based off the three that you mention:
Brantley - career .794 OPS
Abreu - career .860 OPS
Pederson - career .804 OPS

Orioles only had 3 players last season with an OPS over .750 and one of them was Gunnar Henderson who only played in 34 games.

Adding one or two of them to the mix would be a great addition and would allow the team to trade from their prospect pool and acquire better starting pitching. This is a team that was below average offensively last year and can use all the help it can get in the lineup. They should be signing 1 or 2 hitters as well as calling up prospects.

The Orioles also insisted on playing Odor even though they could of easily replaced him with a more effective hitter.  They also really limited Vavra and Stowes Ab's even though they had players in the lineup struggling (Hay's and Mountcastle).  

I'm just bringing this up because some could make the argument that our offensive numbers were down because of mismanagement of our roster instead of lack of talent.  

For the record though I would not be opposed to adding Abreu and trading Mountcastle.  If I do that I am immediately getting Stowers and Norby reps at first to hopefully be the long term 1st base replacement. 

[wildcard]

7 minutes ago, turtlebowl said:

The Orioles also insisted on playing Odor even though they could of easily replaced him with a more effective hitter.  They also really limited Vavra and Stowes Ab's even though they had players in the lineup struggling (Hay's and Mountcastle).  

I'm just bringing this up because some could make the argument that our offensive numbers were down because of mismanagement of our roster instead of lack of talent.  

For the record though I would not be opposed to adding Abreu and trading Mountcastle.  If I do that I am immediately getting Stowers and Norby reps at first to hopefully be the long term 1st base replacement. 

Mismanagement by the Manager of the Year? If that is true then every other manager was worse.

Edited November 3, 2022 by wildcard

[Tony-OH]

I think the Orioles preference will be to use the DH in a rotational basis, not assigned to one main player. Regardless of whether they go with a prospect/young player from within, trade, or acquire a player in FA, the Orioles need some of the DH PAs for Rutschman when he's not catching.

Right now the Orioles need to add a legitimate middle of the order hitter to the lineup. While Rutschman and Henderson could certainly develop into that guy, I think looking for that big bopper 1B might be the better position to focus on.

 

 

[wildcard]

10 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Neither

OK, then who do you think the O's DH should be next year?

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

I think the Orioles preference will be to use the DH in a rotational basis, not assigned to one main player. Regardless of whether they go with a prospect/young player from within, trade, or acquire a player in FA, the Orioles need some of the DH PAs for Rutschman when he's not catching.

Right now the Orioles need to add a legitimate middle of the order hitter to the lineup. While Rutschman and Henderson could certainly develop into that guy, I think looking for that big bopper 1B might be the better position to focus on.

 

 

Like who?

[Tony-OH]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Mismanagement by the Manager of the Year? If that is true then every other manager was worse.

He said mismanagement of the roster, which to me indicates Elias insistence on playing Odor regularly almost all season (until last 3-4 weeks), the head scratching decision to acquire and play Aguilar against left-handed pitching (even some right-handed pitchers), and the head scratching lineups that saw Stowers ride the pine in favor of Aguilar when Stowers needed the experience and hit left-handers well his entire minor league career. 

Since we don't know who sets the lineups (my guess is it comes down from above for Hyde to implement with Hyde only having say if a player is tired or banged up), we don't know where the blame goes.

Considering the evaluation staff for Elias liked Odor, Aguilar and now Bemboom, I have to start questioning them more than the manager.

[AnythingO's]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

OK, then who do you think the O's DH should be next year?

Rutschman 25%, Stowers-Santander 50%, the rest rotated through Hays, Mullins, etc

[Tony-OH]

3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Like who?

With my prospect work I don't have the time to research that kind of stuff. SG and others are much better at knowing who could be available than me. 

Either way, the Orioles are not going to be assigning one player to DH. It would be a rotation between Santander, Stowers, and Rutschman right now before any offseason moves.