2022-23 free agent signings tracker

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

True, but sometimes you have to take on risk for a better upside. At this point, I would.

I wouldn’t have minded doing both.  

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I wouldn’t have minded doing both.  

Now this I'm not so sure about. At this point maybe, but going into the offseason, I really would have preferred a Bassitt-Gibson/Cueto combo more than a Gibson/Cuerto combo. Who would you bump out of the rotation for Cuerto now?

I would have been really excited going into spring training with a Rotation that would have included:

1. Bassitt
2. Grayson Rodriguez
3. Dean Kremer
4. Kyle Bradish
5. Gibson

With Wells (in bullpen), Watkins, Voth, Hall as depth.

I've been meaning to do a piece in the current rotation options so I won't get into more. I do still think the rotation has a chance to be solid if they all pitch like they did in the second half last year (Grayson pre injury), but I don't know if that's realistic or not.

[Spy Fox]

That's fun. 

[Frobby]

7 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Now this I'm not so sure about. At this point maybe, but going into the offseason, I really would have preferred a Bassitt-Gibson/Cueto combo more than a Gibson/Cuerto combo. Who would you bump out of the rotation for Cuerto now?

I would have been really excited going into spring training with a Rotation that would have included:

1. Bassitt
2. Grayson Rodriguez
3. Dean Kremer
4. Kyle Bradish
5. Gibson

With Wells (in bullpen), Watkins, Voth, Hall as depth.

I've been meaning to do a piece in the current rotation options so I won't get into more. I do still think the rotation has a chance to be solid if they all pitch like they did in the second half last year (Grayson pre injury), but I don't know if that's realistic or not.

Of course, I agree it would have been better to have Bassitt and Gibson or Cueto, rather than Gibson and Cueto.  

I look forward to reading your piece.  I agree the rotation has a chance to be solid.  A chance.  I would have preferred better odds though.  
 

[Roll Tide]

On 1/13/2023 at 3:25 PM, Tony-OH said:

Now this I'm not so sure about. At this point maybe, but going into the offseason, I really would have preferred a Bassitt-Gibson/Cueto combo more than a Gibson/Cuerto combo. Who would you bump out of the rotation for Cuerto now?

I would have been really excited going into spring training with a Rotation that would have included:

1. Bassitt
2. Grayson Rodriguez
3. Dean Kremer
4. Kyle Bradish
5. Gibson

With Wells (in bullpen), Watkins, Voth, Hall as depth.

I've been meaning to do a piece in the current rotation options so I won't get into more. I do still think the rotation has a chance to be solid if they all pitch like they did in the second half last year (Grayson pre injury), but I don't know if that's realistic or not.

Sounds like we are still talking to and it might be Wacha

[Can_of_corn]

22 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Sounds like we are still talking to and it might be Wacha

[Tony-OH]

36 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Sounds like we are still talking to and it might be Wacha

If we are not getting a #1 or #1 2 type I'd rather they go with what they have in house.

[Roll Tide]

29 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

If we are not getting a #1 or #1 2 type I'd rather they go with what they have in house.

Don’t shoot the messenger

[now]

On 1/13/2023 at 12:25 PM, Tony-OH said:

I would have been really excited going into spring training with a Rotation that would have included:

1. Bassitt
2. Grayson Rodriguez
3. Dean Kremer
4. Kyle Bradish
5. Gibson

With Wells (in bullpen), Watkins, Voth, Hall as depth.

I've been meaning to do a piece in the current rotation options so I won't get into more. I do still think the rotation has a chance to be solid if they all pitch like they did in the second half last year (Grayson pre injury), but I don't know if that's realistic or not.

I'm thinking along the same lines, with hope for a rearmed Means to approach what Bassitt could supply, for the second half anyway. Until, then, plug in a Wells/Hall tandem to the rotation, or try for a repeat of 2022-Voth.

Edited January 15, 2023 by now

[HakunaSakata]

On 1/13/2023 at 3:25 PM, Tony-OH said:

Now this I'm not so sure about. At this point maybe, but going into the offseason, I really would have preferred a Bassitt-Gibson/Cueto combo more than a Gibson/Cuerto combo. Who would you bump out of the rotation for Cuerto now?

I would have been really excited going into spring training with a Rotation that would have included:

1. Bassitt
2. Grayson Rodriguez
3. Dean Kremer
4. Kyle Bradish
5. Gibson

With Wells (in bullpen), Watkins, Voth, Hall as depth.

I've been meaning to do a piece in the current rotation options so I won't get into more. I do still think the rotation has a chance to be solid if they all pitch like they did in the second half last year (Grayson pre injury), but I don't know if that's realistic or not.

Losing out and/or not pursuing Bassitt is BY FAR the one that stings the most. Verlander would have been great, but Bassitt stings more because he turned out to be a very realistic and somewhat affordable target. 

[HakunaSakata]

On 1/14/2023 at 9:36 PM, now said:

I'm thinking along the same lines, with hope for a rearmed Means to approach what Bassitt could supply, for the second half anyway. Until, then, plug in a Wells/Hall tandem to the rotation, or try for a repeat of 2022-Voth.

Means shouldn't even have been factored in when they cobbled together their rotation / vetted FA signings. Look at how the Blue Jays treated Ryu (also injured). He's basically penciled in as their sixth starter if/when he comes back, which means (no pun intended) they're treating anything he contributes as a bonus. The Orioles should have approached the Means situation the same way. 

[now]

4 hours ago, HakunaSakata said:

Means shouldn't even have been factored in when they cobbled together their rotation / vetted FA signings. Look at how the Blue Jays treated Ryu (also injured). He's basically penciled in as their sixth starter if/when he comes back, which means (no pun intended) they're treating anything he contributes as a bonus. The Orioles should have approached the Means situation the same way. 

Fair enough re. Means. Still, Voth as an Oriole outperformed Bassitt last year, and I do like giving Means's innings to Wells/Hall also. In other words, Means/Voth/Wells/Hall = Bassitt.

[btdart20]

Mets "Optimistic" About Reaching Deal With Tommy Pham - MLB Trade Rumors

Pham + Buck, Alonso, Scherzer, Verlander, and NYM fans...  What can possibly go wrong?  

Where do you set the Vegas line on when Pham is DFA'd?

[Just Regular]

An averaging tidbit from ESPN Passan today:

7) The average cost for a year of a free agent starting pitcher's contract is $16.6 million.

If that sounds obscene, it is. But it's true: Starting pitchers have fetched $1.13 billion this winter in deals that total 68 years. At that cost, it's $16.6 million a year. Even when removing the outliers -- deGrom, Rodon and Justin Verlander -- it's $12.7 million, which is in line with what Zach Eflin got from the Rays (three years, $40 million), Stripling from the Giants (two years, $25 million) and Tyler Anderson from the Angels (three years, $39 million) in a tier that goes beyond the household names that will top a rotation.

[Spy Fox]

Do trades go here too? Anyway, the Twins traded for Michael A Taylor. Decent OF depth piece. They've now had quite the busy offseason. 

• Christian Vazquez 3 year deal 
• Joey Gallo 1 year deal
• Carlos Correa 6 year deal
• Trade for Kyle Farmer from CIN
• Trade Gio Urshela to LAA
• Trade Luis Arraez to MIA for Pablo Lopez +
• Trade for Michael A Taylor from KC

Twins Hangout must be so busy they don't even have time to get mad about signing Chance Sisco to a minor league contract.