Did we just begin the most important 48 hour period in franchise history?

[Sanfran327]

Is that an overstatement? I’ll admit I’m a hyperbole guy, but it sure feels like it could be. There are pros and cons to hitting the trade market aggressively, moderately, mildly, and not at all. Whatever the choice is, Elias has to nail it. We should absolutely not just be glad to be here just because it’s a a year ahead of the projections. 

If we can go out and win this thing, then we should try like hell to do it. If after a long, hard look in the mirror, we don’t think we are legitimate candidates win it all, then we should call it like it is and stand pat. Hell, maybe we get lucky even if we do nothing. We’ve won a ton of games with this talent, and tons of series along the way. 

In our previous runs, we didn’t have the talent pool to leverage to improve the big club that we do now. This specific sort of pressure did not exist in 2012, 14, or 16. Mike and Sig know our guys better than anyone, but they don’t have a crystal ball. Whatever they do, it has to be right. 

[dystopia]

Franchise history? Yeah, that's hyperbole.

[yark14]

No.

[Bemorewins]

18 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

Is that an overstatement? I’ll admit I’m a hyperbole guy, but it sure feels like it could be. There are pros and cons to hitting the trade market aggressively, moderately, mildly, and not at all. Whatever the choice is, Elias has to nail it. We should absolutely not just be glad to be here just because it’s a a year ahead of the projections. 

If we can go out and win this thing, then we should try like hell to do it. If after a long, hard look in the mirror, we don’t think we are legitimate candidates win it all, then we should call it like it is and stand pat. Hell, maybe we get lucky even if we do nothing. We’ve won a ton of games with this talent, and tons of series along the way. 

In our previous runs, we didn’t have the talent pool to leverage to improve the big club that we do now. This specific sort of pressure did not exist in 2012, 14, or 16. Mike and Sig know our guys better than anyone, but they don’t have a crystal ball. Whatever they do, it has to be right. 

I think that there will be a serious cost to not doing anything in terms of alienating a big segment of their potential customer/fanbase. 

Mostly everyone already has suspensions about John Angelos. And the Orioles do not enjoy the best reputation in the community. 

For some people who have put up with a lot of awfulness by this org, to get this close and then decide to pass/punt because of pure cheapness, it may do serious damage to a brand that was still trying to repair itself.

[Rbiggs2525]

To me the drafts with Adley/Gunnar and Holliday were much more important. 

[2001OriolesFan]

Well we ARE in first place AND have Rod. & maybe Means here for the post season.  Please understand that at this stage of the teams trying for the wild card spots or in fine tuning their rosters, are not that interested in our  hot shot but green and untested high ceiling prospects.  Other teams want to fill holes with tested veterans. Teams still in the running, want to hold onto their pitching so they will charge a lot.  Sometimes the best trades are the ones that you don't make.

 

Edited July 30, 2023 by 2001OriolesFan

[Sanfran327]

5 minutes ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

To me the drafts with Adley/Gunnar and Holliday were much more important. 

Drafting Adley wasn’t even a choice. He was the consensus #1 served to us on a platter. Holiday, at least as of right now, looks like a savvy choice given the number of other potential blue chip prospects. Still, the draft is a crap shoot, and now a lot of those guys have very real and impactful value. What we decide to do with them right now is critically important. 

[Sanfran327]

2 minutes ago, 2001OriolesFan said:

Well we ARE in first place AND have Rod. & maybe Means here for the post season.  Please understand that at this stage of the teams trying for the wild card spots or in fine tuning their rosters, are not that interested in our  hot shot but green and untested high ceiling prospects.  Other teams want to fill holes with tested veterans. Teams still in the running, want to hold onto their pitching so they will charge a lot.  Sometimes the best trades are the ones that you don't make.

 

What is this in response to?

[Alasdaire]

36 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

If we can go out and win this thing, then we should try like hell to do it. If after a long, hard look in the mirror, we don’t think we are legitimate candidates win it all, then we should call it like it is and stand pat. Hell, maybe we get lucky even if we do nothing. We’ve won a ton of games with this talent, and tons of series along the way.

Why does it have to be either extreme? I have absolutely no reason to not believe Elias when he says that the front office is looking to upgrade the team but that they're not going to overextend themselves. If the right opportunity presents itself now then take it. If not then pinch your pennies and wait for the opportunity to inevitably arise in six months or twelve months when the team is most likely better positioned. This is an approach that might not maximize your chances of winning at any one time but does over the long-term.

[dzorange]

To answer your question - yes, an overstatement. Is an explanation really necessary?

[Jagwar]

This is a total slap in the face to the Jeff Fiorentino call up

[owknows]

2 hours ago, Bemorewins said:

I think that there will be a serious cost to not doing anything in terms of alienating a big segment of their potential customer/fanbase. 

Mostly everyone already has suspensions about John Angelos. And the Orioles do not enjoy the best reputation in the community. 

For some people who have put up with a lot of awfulness by this org, to get this close and then decide to pass/punt because of pure cheapness, it may do serious damage to a brand that was still trying to repair itself.

The team is in first place in the AL while playing one of the game's toughest schedules, and having one of the games lowest payrolls.

Nobody cares if you're butt-hurt because they aren't making it rain.

[Rbiggs2525]

2 hours ago, Sanfran327 said:

Drafting Adley wasn’t even a choice. He was the consensus #1 served to us on a platter. Holiday, at least as of right now, looks like a savvy choice given the number of other potential blue chip prospects. Still, the draft is a crap shoot, and now a lot of those guys have very real and impactful value. What we decide to do with them right now is critically important. 

Drafting Adley was not as slam dunk as you make it sound. Bobby Witt got a lot of respect in that draft and there was reasonable concern of drafting catchers 1-1. He was my pick for sure. I said that more about the investment. The draft is 15 million dollar investment when you are that bad. Not including the scouts and all the player personnel involved. If you draft well you do not have to trade. That’s my personal opinion. The next 2 days are very important for sure and I am hoping for 2 arms minimum.

[Bemorewins]

4 minutes ago, owknows said:

The team is in first place in the AL while playing one of the game's toughest schedules, and having one of the games lowest payrolls.

Nobody cares if you're butt-hurt because they aren't making it rain.

I would respond but why? … Moving on

[FlipTheBird]

3 hours ago, Bemorewins said:

I think that there will be a serious cost to not doing anything in terms of alienating a big segment of their potential customer/fanbase. 

Mostly everyone already has suspensions about John Angelos. And the Orioles do not enjoy the best reputation in the community. 

For some people who have put up with a lot of awfulness by this org, to get this close and then decide to pass/punt because of pure cheapness, it may do serious damage to a brand that was still trying to repair itself.

I think the average fan will shrug no matter what happens the next 48 hours. They'll either say man I wish we got a guy, or well I hope the guy we got is good. There's no slam dunk move out there that's changing the fate of the franchise.

An incredibly, incredibly small number of fans are sitting at home saying John Angelos, you'd better make a move or I'm out!

And really that number should be zero, but some folks are gonna be weird.