Trade Suggestion: Steven Matz for Urias or Mateo

[Roll Tide]

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In return, St. Louis could request one of the many infielders that Baltimore has to offer. Should Brendan Donovan, Tommy Edman, or Nolan Gorman be traded elsewhere, St. Louis will have to net something in return. A versatile infielder such as Ramon Urias or Jorge Mateo could be had for Matz.

Thoughts …. 100 innings as a swing man Middle reliever. 2 years of control, 1.7 WAR, 17 starts, ERA 3.75 with a FIP in the high 3.7s. 
 

 

https://redbirdrants.com/posts/5-potential-trade-destinations-for-cardinals-steven-matz-01hg8wy5783h/2

[RZNJ]

12 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Thoughts …. 100 innings as a swing man Middle reliever. 2 years of control, 1.7 WAR, 17 starts, ERA 3.75 with a FIP in the high 3.7s. 
 

 

https://redbirdrants.com/posts/5-potential-trade-destinations-for-cardinals-steven-matz-01hg8wy5783h/2

I don’t think he’s going to get anyone too excited and Elias would have trouble selling him as a #3 or better.  BUT, at 2/25M and low player cost it wouldn’t shock me.  I hope not though.

[waroriole]

It actually wouldn’t be that bad of a move; however, can you really expect him to be better than Irvin. I’d do it for Mateo just so they can’t continue to keep Ortiz off the roster. 

[oriole]

It depends…would he be the best SP acquisition this year? If he’s a secondary piece to fight over the 5th spot with Kremer, Wells, and Irvin, then sure. That sounds great.

 

Im not at all worried about losing Urias or Mateo. They could be DFA and I couldn’t care less. 

[24fps]

He might be an interesting project.  He was absolutely dreadful for the first third of last season - so bad that he was sent to the pen where he put it all together almost right away.  Then he was put back in the rotation and was really good for the last third of the season.  2022 was bad and he only managed 48 innings in 15 games (10 starts), but 2021 was good.

Another gamble as to what pitcher you're going to get, but the big question remains: do the O's want to take on a project or take a decisive step that would make the rotation genuinely capable 1-5?

[Rustbelt]

The Cardinals do not need a third baseman nor a short stop with Arenado and Winn. Of course, they can be traded but not now. 

[sportsfan8703]

Irvin > Matz as a SP

Irvin, Perez, Coloumbe, Hall > Matz as a RP

Creative Idea. I like Jose Quintana, but the Mets aren’t rebuilding. 

[HakunaSakata]

This trade just feels like both teams swapping polished turds. The Cardinals are already loaded in the infield too. Even their back-ups at most of the infield positions are better than what we'd be offering. Also, I can't think of a more disappointingly underwhelming player to trade for than Steven Matz. He's like the pitching equivalent of tofu. 

[RZNJ]

13 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Irvin > Matz as a SP

Irvin, Perez, Coloumbe, Hall > Matz as a RP

Creative Idea. I like Jose Quintana, but the Mets aren’t rebuilding. 

Who knows what the Mets are doing.  They replaced  Verlander and Scherzer with Severino so far.

[forphase1]

Heck,  I'd trade Mateo for a #5 starter, a reliever, a lottery ticket or a bag of balls,  so sign me up!

[interloper]

Yeah getting a living breathing ML pitcher for Mateo would be gravy. Kind of hard to not on board with that.

[24fps]

I guess I can see Urias sorta... but why would the want Mateo when they already have Masyn Winn?  Realistically I think Urias alone is a little light for STL's taste and I don't see the case for the O's sweetening the offer given Irvin, Wells and a ton of other options out there.

[Aristotelian]

I don't know if St. Louis would do it or if Matz would be the target, but I like the general framework of Mateo/Urias for a bullpen arm.

[sportsfan8703]

Matz is owed 2yr/$25 million. There’s no way that we’re paying that let alone trading for it. Trading isn’t a bad idea and I think it’s on the table for us if need be. 

[RZNJ]

21 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Matz is owed 2yr/$25 million. There’s no way that we’re paying that let alone trading for it. Trading isn’t a bad idea and I think it’s on the table for us if need be. 

That’s a lot cheaper than the alternatives.  Matz has kind of been up and down and has never been an innings eater.   He finished real strong his last six starts but a lat strain ended his season.  In some ways he has Oriole written all over him.   The fact that he’s 32 and his career high in IP is 160 makes me question if he really is their kind of guy.