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2 hours ago, DocJJ said:

These asking prices for Free Agent and Trades return for Starting Pitching are at an-all time astronomical high.  That asking price for Cease is starting at insane and may go beyond insane when the bidding is done....

 

I'd rather go with Bradish, Rodriguez, Means, Kremer, and Hall, and whoever emerges from McDermott, Povich, Johnson, Wells, and Irwin and keep my prospects....  

or do what we've always done and sign a lower tier Free Agent starter and hope for the best....

 

 

Team values and profits are also at an all time high.

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Well, we know that’s on the agenda because Elias told us so.  Doesn’t mean we’ll actually pull the trigger.  

We have the best farm system.  So Elias at least gets a phone call asking to beat an offer of whatever the offers are for Luzardo and Cease.  It's like being the Yankees or Dodgers with money, but we have prospects.  

Ed Rod signing soon might mean he's considering our offer.  Why sign so soon?  It seems to me that Elias' MO is to make an offer early and make players take his price or walk away.  The waiting game doesn't favor us with money.  It might with prospects though if we're willing.  

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1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

We could give Ed Rod the 4/82 he's predicted on MLBTR but how much of that would be backloaded and also deferred over 10 years?  See how much he wants to come here.  Give him the 82 million spread over 10 years.  

I’m not saying it’s impossible if they were actually pursuing Bassitt and Eovaldi last year, but I would definitely temper your expectations.

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2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

We could give Ed Rod the 4/82 he's predicted on MLBTR but how much of that would be backloaded and also deferred over 10 years?  See how much he wants to come here.  Give him the 82 million spread over 10 years.  

If there's even the slightest chance that they want to sell when something happens to Peter Angelo's your idea makes no sense. 

 

They should not be in a position where they have to defer anything considering where the payroll has been, and the success of the last couple of seasons. 

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3 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

We could give Ed Rod the 4/82 he's predicted on MLBTR but how much of that would be backloaded and also deferred over 10 years?  See how much he wants to come here.  Give him the 82 million spread over 10 years.  

I know our owner is cheap and we haven't spent any real money in years so I understand why you bring up backloading and deferring the Contract but I really hope with the current payroll status we could afford another 20M a year without having to defer it.  Honestly even that Contract plus what Kimbrel got and we still are under what we should be able to afford to spend.

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2 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

That's the other problem we face. Maybe one of the reasons John Angelos is pinching pennies, is because he does really plan to sell and wants to keep the payroll commitments low and clear for prospective buyers.

I’ve always thought that idea was kind of misguided.  A good contract enhances the value of the team.  

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Gibson, Givens, and Frazier accounted for $22 million in 2023 when it was all said and done.  Kimbrel eats up 13 million of that.  That still leaves $9 million in FA bucks.  Trading Mateo and/or Urias frees up some money.  Not counting on it at all, but if Ed Rod would take deferred money, then maybe JA agrees to the 4/82 with 1/3 of that being deferred.  How much does Ed Rod want to come here?  How cheap is JA?  We could do something like,

2024 - $9 million

2025 - $15 million

2026 - $15 million

2027 - $15 million

The remaining $28 deferred over some time period.  

Some chance?

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6 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Gibson, Givens, and Frazier accounted for $22 million in 2023 when it was all said and done.  Kimbrel eats up 13 million of that.  That still leaves $9 million in FA bucks.  Trading Mateo and/or Urias frees up some money.  Not counting on it at all, but if Ed Rod would take deferred money, then maybe JA agrees to the 4/82 with 1/3 of that being deferred.  How much does Ed Rod want to come here?  How cheap is JA?  We could do something like,

2024 - $9 million

2025 - $15 million

2026 - $15 million

2027 - $15 million

The remaining $28 deferred over some time period.  

Some chance?

With the Payroll as low as it is now and core players going to be progressing towards arbitration and free agency, it makes more sense to get the bulk of the contract out of the way up front than it does to pile it up with all the other contracts we will have to put alot of investment into if we want to keep those key (home grown) players.

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ERod is not an Elias type move but if it were he'd probably look to move Santander to offset the 2024 payroll increase.   Not happening.

Not knowing the two teams involved is interesting.   Are there 2 other teams that can keep a secret?

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