Is Luzardo a realistic target?

[ThisIsBirdland]

4 minutes ago, interloper said:

Ortiz, Irvin, Mateo, Baumann, and Pham plus cash for Luzardo. 

It lacks a true pitching prospect, perhaps. But the Marlins get their future SS in Ortiz, a ML SS in Mateo, a SP/swingman, a decent reliever with 5 more years of control, and a low level SP prospect. O's send a little cash to cover half of Mateo's $2.7 mil. 

This is the exact opposite of the Basallo/Mayo deal.

[interloper]

Just now, ThisIsBirdland said:

This is the exact opposite of the Basallo/Mayo deal.

Exactly lol. 

[ThisIsBirdland]

Just now, interloper said:

Exactly lol. 

And just as unlikely.

[interloper]

Just now, ThisIsBirdland said:

And just as unlikely.

If they really want a bat and a SS, how about Santander plus Ortiz straight up. They get a bopper and a SS, we get a SP. Everyone's happy, even though we're crossing our fingers that Kjerstad can be Santander. 

[ThisIsBirdland]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

If they really want a bat and a SS, how about Santander plus Ortiz straight up. They get a bopper and a SS, we get a SP. Everyone's happy, even though we're crossing our fingers that Kjerstad can be Santander. 

Because a high upside SP with 3 years of control is worth a lot more than a 1 year contract for Anthony Santander and 1 top 100 prospect.

Edited January 2 by ThisIsBirdland

[interloper]

Just now, ThisIsBirdland said:

Because a high upside SP with 3 years of control is worth a lot more than a 1 year contract for Anthony Santander and a 1 top 100 prospect.

Hey, gotta start the negotiation somewhere.  

[DirtyBird]

11 minutes ago, interloper said:

Ortiz, Irvin, Mateo, Baumann, and Pham plus cash for Luzardo. 

Why stop there? Might as well throw in a guy selling peanuts on the street corner and an underpaid team store employee too.

[interloper]

2 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Why stop there? Might as well throw in a guy selling peanuts on the street corner and an underpaid team store employee too.

Agreed, let's add him in there. Is there a groundscrew prospect we can throw in, like Nicole Sherry's protege or something? 

[sportsfan8703]

We’re probably going to have to part with Westburg in a deal. 

Westburg, Beavers, and Povich, for Cease 

or 

Westburg, Santa, and Beavers, for Luzardo

[Warehouse]

Orioles get: Jesus Luzardo, Max Mayer, Anthony Bender

Marlins get: Cowser, Kremer, Ortiz, Bradfield, Povich, Jacob Webb/Mike Bauman

Who says no? 

Upgrades O’s pitching while addressing critical Marlins needs (shortstop/outfield).  Marlins trade quality for availability without needing to backfill rotation spot as they had to do after the Pablo Lopez trade. 
 

If Marlins side too light:

- Add Ryan O’Hearn

- Swap O’s Comp A and Marlins Comp B pick

- Trade O’s comp A pick

- Add additional piece outside our top 15

- Remove relievers from both sides

 

if O’s side too light:

- remove Bradfield

- swap Povich for Baumeister/Seth Johnson/Baumler

- Add in Marlins comp B pick 

- Add Marlins prospect
 

 

[RZNJ]

44 minutes ago, interloper said:

If they really want a bat and a SS, how about Santander plus Ortiz straight up. They get a bopper and a SS, we get a SP. Everyone's happy, even though we're crossing our fingers that Kjerstad can be Santander. 

Define “everyone”.

[interloper]

4 minutes ago, Warehouse said:

Orioles get: Jesus Luzardo, Max Mayer, Anthony Bender

Marlins get: Cowser, Kremer, Ortiz, Bradfield, Povich, Jacob Webb/Mike Bauman

Who says no? 

Upgrades O’s pitching while addressing critical Marlins needs (shortstop/outfield).  Marlins trade quality for availability without needing to backfill rotation spot as they had to do after the Pablo Lopez trade. 
 

If Marlins side too light:

- Add Ryan O’Hearn

- Swap O’s Comp A and Marlins Comp B pick

- Trade O’s comp A pick

- Add additional piece outside our top 15

- Remove relievers from both sides

 

if O’s side too light:

- remove Bradfield

- swap Povich for Baumeister/Seth Johnson/Baumler

- Add in Marlins comp B pick 

- Add Marlins prospect
 

 

I don't see any way that the Orioles part with Cowser, Ortiz, Povich and Bradfield in the same trade. That's fantasyland stuff right there. 

[RZNJ]

8 minutes ago, Warehouse said:

Orioles get: Jesus Luzardo, Max Mayer, Anthony Bender

Marlins get: Cowser, Kremer, Ortiz, Bradfield, Povich, Jacob Webb/Mike Bauman

Who says no? 

Upgrades O’s pitching while addressing critical Marlins needs (shortstop/outfield).  Marlins trade quality for availability without needing to backfill rotation spot as they had to do after the Pablo Lopez trade. 
 

If Marlins side too light:

- Add Ryan O’Hearn

- Swap O’s Comp A and Marlins Comp B pick

- Trade O’s comp A pick

- Add additional piece outside our top 15

- Remove relievers from both sides

 

if O’s side too light:

- remove Bradfield

- swap Povich for Baumeister/Seth Johnson/Baumler

- Add in Marlins comp B pick 

- Add Marlins prospect
 

 

A for effort.  Not bad but a bit too complicated.

[sportsfan8703]

5 minutes ago, interloper said:

I don't see any way that the Orioles part with Cowser, Ortiz, Povich and Bradfield in the same trade. That's fantasyland stuff right there. 

Ortiz doesn’t have the value that a lot of people think he does. He’s likely most valuable to us as a Ramon Urias replacement at this point. 

Edited January 2 by sportsfan8703

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Ortiz doesn’t have the value that a lot of people think he does. He’s likely most valuable to us as a Ramon Urias replacement at this point. 

Ortiz has plenty of value.