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8 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I think Holliday is going to be an excellent player. I don't want to trade him. However, I would consider trading him for Skubel because Skubel brings something this teams needs now and will need over the next two years when he's team controlled. 

It has NOTHING to do with his 34 plate appearances. That gets overused as an excuse as to why people would be willing to trade him. 

What team is better this year? The one with Skubel in the rotation starting game 2 or 3 in the playoffs with Mayo at 3B and Westburg at 2B. Or the one with Kremer starting game three with Westburg at 3B and Holliday at 2b? I'll take the team with Skubel.

I'm only trading Holliday for young controllable ace because it fits a bigger need. It does not mean I don't like Holliday as a player. I just realize you have to give up something special to get something special. 

The real question is in what order are your willing give up of the Big-3 or IF you are willing to move one of the big-3? I'll be honest, I think Basallo is going to be a special hitter and I KNOW Mayo is going to be one. I think Holliday is going to be a Adley Rutschman type hitter more than a Gunnar type because he's not as physical as Gunnar. 

So the question is what can you do without? If the team sees both Basallo and Mayo as first baseman, then you move one of them since they become redundant. If they think Mayo will be fine at 3B, then Westburg moves to 2B which means Holliday becomes redundant unless he moves to CF. 

No one should be off limits for a young controllable ace, but clearly there are layers to this due to how they access the eventual defensive home of Mayo and Basallo.

I agree with this and I’d likely begrudgingly include him in a deal for a controllable ace, but the one thing that separates Holliday from Basallo & Mayo is the elite speed.  Every scout and GM from Branch Rickey to Mike Elias will tell you that’s the separating tool because it impacts defense and offense.  No ones untouchable but he’d need to be pried away with force.  

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7 minutes ago, Malike said:

Isn't Holliday leading all of AAA in wRC+ at 20 years old? I read it somewhere and saw his wRC+ is 151. You don't trade that.

No.  There are two players with a higher wRC+ now, and recently promoted James Wood was at 174.   

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31 minutes ago, Keygans said:

Still think the ask is Holliday or Basillo then… none of the other top 5.    I … think we have to make that trade…. 

If we could keep Holliday (meaning trading Basallo) and keep Mayo after the deadline, while acquiring an elite SP like Skubal, that would be the most ideal/optimal roster.

All the pieces for a potential dynasty would be in place!

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31 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

I agree with this and I’d likely begrudgingly include him in a deal for a controllable ace, but the one thing that separates Holliday from Basallo & Mayo is the elite speed.  Every scout and GM from Branch Rickey to Mike Elias will tell you that’s the separating tool because it impacts defense and offense.  No ones untouchable but he’d need to be pried away with force.  

I agree. I have no desire to move Holliday, but I realize it will hurt to get a Skubel. I think the Orioles are happier with Westburg at 3B and Holliday at 2B vs Mayo at 3B and Westburg at 2B defensively and that could allow them to let Mayo go in Skubel trade.

But I tell ya, I think Mayo is going to a very special power bat and would much rather give up a Kjerstad (plus much better additional prospects) or damn, I don't want to say it, a Basallo instead. 

The Orioles though have a huge need for starting pitching this season, and ESPECIALLY the next few seasons and Skubel helps that if he stays healthy. 

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10 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Would be tough to lose Holliday, as 1-1 guys don't happen often.

Especially when we passed on Bobby Witt Jr who is a future (maybe even this year) MVP to draft a catcher who needs to DH 1/3 of the teams games.

Well that same draft we took Gunnar, so I think we are good there. We have our own future MVP SS. Plus an all-star catcher.

Gunnar + Adley > Witt Jr.

If we would have taken Witt Jr as suggested, we don’t take Gunnar in the second round of that same draft.

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17 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Well that same draft we took Gunnar, so I think we are good there. We have our own future MVP SS. Plus an all-star catcher.

Gunnar + Adley > Witt Jr.

If we would have taken Witt Jr as suggested, we don’t take Gunnar in the second round of that same draft.

You don't know that, why wouldn't we still take Gunnar

Can you imagine what SS/3B combo of Gunnar and Witt would have meant. Probably the all time greatest left side of the infield.

Anyhow Adley is a very good all star player but he will never win an MVP and it is a tough pill to swallow having to have a McCann catch 1/3 of the teams games.

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

No.  There are two players with a higher wRC+ now, and recently promoted James Wood was at 174.   

Thanks, I just had time to look. Horowitz has been worth 1.3 fWAR for TOR at the MLB level this year and is 26 years old and Kavadas is 25 running back his second stint in AAA. Holliday is the youngest guy in the league and 3rd in wRC+. I'll still maintain you do not trade that.

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1 hour ago, Bemorewins said:

If we would have taken Witt Jr as suggested, we don’t take Gunnar in the second round of that same draft.

We took about 5 CF last year.   I think your theory is incorrect.

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