Jump to content

Trading for Tarik Skubal

Greg Pappas

By Greg Pappas
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

emmett16 Hangout Grand Counsel

emmett16

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, clapdiddy said:

I'm guessing the Orioles would.  I don't think Mayo is on the table to be dealt.

If Skubal is going to be trade to us, it’s going to hurt.  I’m not suggesting I’d do it, but for the sake of the thread I’m trying to be realistic. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 978
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

terpoh
terpoh

To everyone thinking we should, or may have to, give up multiple top 15 prospects for Skubal- please read this article: https://www.milb.com/news/toolshed-10-biggest-prospect-trades-of-the-decade

Malike
Malike

Like this?  

e16bball
e16bball

Sure, totally agree with you there. But they were definitely contributors to the thinktank there, and they assuredly have taken a lot from Luhnow and the rest of the gang there.  And we now have

Posted Images

Filmstudy Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Filmstudy

Posted
Posted

The trade value ascribed to Tarik Skubal on BTV is through the roof and if the Orioles were to meet it in terms of prospects from their system per the BTV metric, the Orioles players would be deeply discounted and Skubal (despite methodology that indicates they account for injury) would be essentially priced for Cy Young performance over the next 2.5 years.

Everything about this trade runs against the Orioles from the perspective of peak value:

--Skubal is valued at a historically highest level

--Orioles prospects are discounted for current AAA or AA status

--Orioles are trading position players (mostly) for a pitcher which is not the risk dynamic desired

By their methodology, Skubal is worth a package of something like: Norby, McDermott, Holliday, and Beavers.  An alternative posted on the site is Skubal for Kjerstad, Basallo, McDermott.  First of all, I don't believe there is a team that can put together that package of prospects other than the Orioles, (the Dodgers might be able to take some significant amount of salary dump).

If it's Holliday straight up for Skubal, I'm passing.

Here's the scary thing about the reports of the Tigers scout watching the Norfolk games...the thing they can't easily get from statcast is how Holliday looks throwing since his return.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bemorewins Hangout Grand Counsel

Bemorewins

Posted
Posted
15 minutes ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

Tigers thing could be just a ploy to get other teams to up their offer.

Anything is possible at this point because there is still so much that we do not know that is transpiring behind the scenes.

We've still got a little more than a week to see how this all unfolds. It will probably come down to the 29th or even the 30th before the dust really settles and Elias does whatever he decides to do.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Rbiggs2525 All-Star

Rbiggs2525

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Bemorewins said:

Anything is possible at this point because there is still so much that we do not know that is transpiring behind the scenes.

We've still got a little more than a week to see how this all unfolds. It will probably come down to the 29th or even the 30th before the dust really settles and Elias does whatever he decides to do.

100%. This could be for Mize, Olsen or a relief arm too. Maybe even Carson Kelly to dump McCann.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Warehouse Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Warehouse

Posted
Posted
26 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

--Orioles prospects are discounted for current AAA or AA status

Why is there a discount for AAA or AA discount? I’d expect a 60 FV prospect at AAA to be worth more than a 60 FV prospect in A ball because the risk is lower.

  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Warehouse Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Warehouse

Posted
Posted

What’s up with all the reporting on the Tigers insisting on Spencer Jones from the Yankees and that the Yankees might consider including him?  

Am I missing something? I don’t see Jones as being a materially better prospect than Bradfield or Honeycutt.  He is underperforming Jud Fabian (who is same age) in AA and has a 37% strikeout rate.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Just Regular Hangout Grand Counsel

Just Regular

Posted
Posted
20 minutes ago, Warehouse said:

What’s up with all the reporting on the Tigers insisting on Spencer Jones from the Yankees and that the Yankees might consider including him?  

Am I missing something? I don’t see Jones as being a materially better prospect than Bradfield or Honeycutt.  He is underperforming Jud Fabian (who is same age) in AA and has a 37% strikeout rate.

Yankees media is playing on constant loop that one titanic home run Spencer Jones hit on the first day of spring training trying to make the other 29 GM's forget he's looked like Joey Gallo's worse little brother at making contact.

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Jim'sKid26 Major Leaguer Rising Star

Jim'sKid26

Posted
Posted
36 minutes ago, Warehouse said:

Why is there a discount for AAA or AA discount? I’d expect a 60 FV prospect at AAA to be worth more than a 60 FV prospect in A ball because the risk is lower.

If you are not near your window to compete for a championship, prospects who are MLB ready or near MLB ready are not as appealing, from a financial standpoint, as prospects who are likely to mature when you are ready to compete. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CTBear AAA

CTBear

Posted
Posted

Skubal is slated to face the Guards in Cleveland tonight. If we were to trade for him, I’d rather not give Cleveland another look at him. We could also use a 5th starter to slot in at Miami this week. I don’t think a blockbuster comes together today but I’ll still be keeping my eye out if he gets pulled from his start tonight 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LGOrioles Major Leaguer

LGOrioles

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, RVAOsFan said:

Found this, she has 2k followers and profile says she works for MLB Network but I am not familiar with her so can’t say for sure this is legit. 

It’s a parody account.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bemorewins Hangout Grand Counsel

Bemorewins

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, RVAOsFan said:

Found this, she has 2k followers and profile says she works for MLB Network but I am not familiar with her so can’t say for sure this is legit. 

All you have to do is check the legit sources/reporters.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • Hallas
      2024 Week 2: Ravens vs Raiders

      By Hallas · Posted

      Idk how impactful this was, probably pretty low on the list of problems, but this is the 2nd straight week that Lamar threw the ball late in the game and the receiver was unable to get oob.  The ball to Bateman is probably excusable because we had more time on the clock and we needed the deep ball to be in position to make a run, but this time throwing a 12 yard dump to Andrews was just straight up stupid IMO.  I get that they're going to play outside leverage all day every day in this situation but just throw it away and try to take another shot.  Lamar has to have more clock awareness than that,  and Harbaugh has to instill in him the importance of saving those seconds on the clock.
    • now
      FIX THE DANG HITTING!

      By now · Posted

      Sorry but that response from Fuller sounds to me like too many words, concepts, abstractions, and if that's how he communicates, wordy and convoluted, it's a lot for hitters to carry "into the box." Not to mention all the specifics involved, re. what pitches and locations to look for, all the analytics of how to do the swing and torque the body, etc. I'm no coach but I can imagine a whole season of this approach just becomes information overload. Maybe it's not rocket science, after all (with all due respect to ex-NASA Sig). Maybe the antidote is more Zen: just see the pitch and hit the dang thing. 
    • 24fps
      Trevor Rogers 2024

      By 24fps · Posted

      The proposition that every auction automatically results in an overpay is simplified indeed.  Granted, "kind of true" is a low bar to clear, but still...
    • OriolesUpAndDowns
      Trevor Rogers 2024

      By OriolesUpAndDowns · Posted

      Should probably move this to the minors section.  I don't see him in the majors again this season.  
    • Allan Bryant
      Trevor Rogers 2024

      By Allan Bryant · Posted

      Are we still going on about Trevor Rogers ?  
    • GoldGlove21
      FIX THE DANG HITTING!

      By GoldGlove21 · Posted

      I think this is spot on. These guys have played baseball their entire life, they know what needs to be done to get the guy in. It sound like the team slumping has but pressure on all members of the team. A pitcher going out there saying "I need to give up 3 or fewer runs to have a chance to win" is tough. A bullpen arm saying "I can't make a mistake at all because our offense is struggling". I think these guys need to relax and stop pressing. How do you convince players to play loose?
    • Gurgi
      9/15: O's Head Home After A Loss To The Tigers

      By Gurgi · Posted

      I am shocked how much I have distanced my attention from the Orioles the last two months.  This losing and being helpless to stop the skidding has sapped all my desire to be a fan.   We seem destined to lose fast in the playoffs.  

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...