O's acquire LHP Trevor Rogers from Marlins

[Billy F-Face3]

6 minutes ago, interloper said:

1. Ortiz is a bonafide premium SS. And Hall, who you conveniently left out, was still a big SP prospect at the time of the trade.
2. Burnes only had 1 year of control.
3. Burnes came with a $15 million pricetag.

Before Spring Training, Ortiz was nothing but what Norby currently is to the Orioles now. A talented middle i fielder burried in the organization without steady playing time.

Snell has a salary SF doesn't want to be stuck with and with the opt out, it amounts to a 1 year deal.  This means his contract should make him even more available than Burnes was.

The Orioles could have done much better than losing pitcher with nearly a 5 ERA on a losing team.  

Stowers and Norby are every day starting players in the MLB level, just like Ortiz finally is now that he's been given an opportunity 

[interloper]

Just now, Billy F-Face3 said:

Before Spring Training, Ortiz was nothing but what Norby currently is to the Orioles now. A talented middle i fielder burried in the organization without steady playing time.

Snell has a salary SF doesn't want to be stuck with and with the opt out, it amounts to a 1 year deal.  This means his contract should make him even more available than Burnes was.

The Orioles could have done much better than losing pitcher with nearly a 5 ERA on a losing team.  

Stowers and Norby are every day starting players in the MLB level, just like Ortiz finally is now that he's been given an opportunity 

There is a difference in value between SS and 2B. 

Snell is not getting traded. That has been confirmed by reporters hours and hours ago.

[Roll Tide]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Hopefully we’ll get some insight from Elias tonight.  I’d say an in-game interview on MASN is virtually guaranteed tonight.  

Yes … and hopefully we are celebrating another move or two. I don’t know how they can run with this! IMO …We don’t have a back up SS to spell Gunnar and god knows he needs some time off. They don’t have a sound defensive LF unless they are sticking with an everyday lineup of Cedric, Colton, and Anthony. We don’t have a solid RH hitter to slot into that OF. Plus we need a reliever to add that shouldn’t be hard to accomplish.

 

I wonder if this move sets up a guy like Crochet who can be relied on for innings during the season to his innings count so far. Probably not …but we can hope right ?

[Billy F-Face3]

13 minutes ago, J.D. said:

Scott's not a starter, and I highly doubt that Norby and Stowers gets you Scott.

Ortiz was a more highly rated prospect than Norby. And DL Hall was in that deal as well. DL Hall was much more highly regarded than Stowers is.

I'll believe Snell moves when I see it. I don't think he does.

Rogers has pitched to an ERA closer to 3 over his last 9 starts. But please, by all means, keep over-rating Norby and Stowers and their ability to land pitchers that aren't actually on the market.

Scott is the closer/leverage reliever we need. We don't need another #4/5 starter.

[J.D.]

8 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

I’m supposed to make definitive statements without information that is known to me. Otherwise it’s “silly”.

I get it that some people/posters/fans are against criticizing Elias. I am not one of them.

I believe like all people, when he does well he should receive praise and when he doesn’t there are legit critics/criticisms that can be made. 

We could have done something big/bold to meaningfully add to our team’s roster. Instead we chose the route that was risk adverse intended to improve the team marginally.

There's a fine line between big/bold and absolutely stupid. Ask the Padres.

[J.D.]

Just now, Billy F-Face3 said:

Scott is the closer/leverage reliever we need. We don't need another #4/5 starter.

You wanna gut the farm system for Tanner Scott? That's what the Padres just did. Spoiler: Norby and Stowers weren't getting it done.

[HowAboutThat]

2 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

Before Spring Training, Ortiz was nothing but what Norby currently is to the Orioles now. A talented middle i fielder burried in the organization without steady playing time.

Snell has a salary SF doesn't want to be stuck with and with the opt out, it amounts to a 1 year deal.  This means his contract should make him even more available than Burnes was.

The Orioles could have done much better than losing pitcher with nearly a 5 ERA on a losing team.  

Stowers and Norby are every day starting players in the MLB level, just like Ortiz finally is now that he's been given an opportunity 

The orioles also traded a reasonable draft pick for Burnes(36?) which adds value. It’s a good trade for the brewers even if Hall and the pick don’t pan out. Ortiz is excellent.

[J.D.]

3 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

Before Spring Training, Ortiz was nothing but what Norby currently is to the Orioles now. A talented middle i fielder burried in the organization without steady playing time.

Snell has a salary SF doesn't want to be stuck with and with the opt out, it amounts to a 1 year deal.  This means his contract should make him even more available than Burnes was.

The Orioles could have done much better than losing pitcher with nearly a 5 ERA on a losing team.  

Stowers and Norby are every day starting players in the MLB level, just like Ortiz finally is now that he's been given an opportunity 

Ortiz was a higher rated prospect than Norby was going into the year. Period. We traded better guys than Norby and Stowers for Burnes. Norby and Stowers were not bringing back any of the people you want, because you're grossly overvaluing Norby and Stowers.

[Tony-OH]

14 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

I’m supposed to make definitive statements without information that is known to me. Otherwise it’s “silly”.

I get it that some people/posters/fans are against criticizing Elias. I am not one of them.

I believe like all people, when he does well he should receive praise and when he doesn’t there are legit critics/criticisms that can be made. 

We could have done something big/bold to meaningfully add to our team’s roster. Instead we chose the route that was risk adverse intended to improve the team marginally.

He did take a "risk adverse" way, but we also don't know what other teams were asking for the "impact" guys. Eflin and Rogers are better than Saurez and Povich/McDermott at the back of our rotation. He gave up Baumeister (was throwing 92-93 MPH), a 10th round pick who is probably a 4th outfielder, and Mac Horvath (who was struggling at Aberdeen), Norby (no real position and blocked on this team) and Stowers (26 years old, blocked on this team). 

Both Eflin and Rogers are controllable next year and the year after for Rogers. If, and that's a big if, if Elias is able to resign Burnes he's got a pretty stable rotation heading into 2025. for a team with no real impact starting pitching prospects close, that's a good thing. 

[CaptainRedbeard]

13 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think this must be the key here.  The O’s have been scouting Rogers, and he’s been pitching well while they’ve been watching him.  My question is, are there underlying reasons why he’s pitched that well lately?  Has he changed what he’s doing?   Are there reasons to think the improvement is sustainable?   Or are the O’s just putting a lot of stock in a SSS run of good luck?  I have no idea, but I don’t think the O’s would have made this trade if Rogers was plodding along at his 4.53 ERA season average over the last two months.   They must like something he’s doing and think he can continue to pitch well down the stretch.  

I see this as a move that stabilizes the back of our rotation but isn’t really a postseason-booster.   It helps us get to the postseason.   

As to the price, it depends on how Rogers performs.  If he performs at his career average I think we overpaid.  We can afford to give up both Norby and Stowers, but in a world where Darrel Hernaiz gets you Cole Irvin, Norby and Stowers should get you more than a guy with Trevor Rogers’ track record.   

 

Rogers’ ERA in his last 9 starts is not supported by any of the peripherals. It doesn’t look like anything more than small sample size noise with a string of better LOB% and HR/FB% fortune. Last 9 starts:

4.23 FIP

4.77 xFIP

4.73 SIERA

7.08 K/9

3.54 BB/9

His velocity has actually continued trending downward as the year progressed too, and has only been 91 mph in his last 3 starts in particular.

I’d love to be able to spin this as buying a guy on the upswing, but I don’t think it is. If you want to take a positive spin on it, the only one that makes sense is that the Orioles have some adjustments in mind - because if he’s just continuing to do what he’s been doing, he just looks like a #5 starter. 

[Go_Os]

The Padres gave up their 2nd, 4th and 5th ranked prospects (and another guy) for Tanner Scott who will be a free agent.

Edited July 30 by Go_Os

[Camden_yardbird]

6 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

Scott is the closer/leverage reliever we need. We don't need another #4/5 starter.

I kind of wondered how this package relates to the one for erceg, because I feel like Erceg would more impactful.  That said, Rodgers has been a better pitcher over the last two months, and if the Orioles can sustain that performance he is the better add.

[Emory Eagle]

He seems like a soft tossing lefty with a good changeup... so John Means redux?  Maybe he has a bit of upside but I don't really see it.  

To quote parents everywhere, I'm not mad, just disappointed. 

Seems doubtful we will be making any meaningful additions to the bullpen at this point too...

[rm5678]

1 minute ago, Go_Os said:

The Padres gave up their 2nd, 3rd and 5th ranked prospects (and another guy) for Tanner Scott who will be a free agent.

Elias was smart for not making that trade. 

[HowAboutThat]

4 minutes ago, Go_Os said:

The Padres gave up their 2nd, 3rd and 5th ranked prospects (and another guy) for Tanner Scott who will be a free agent.

Preller is stupid. I’m amazed he still has a job.