Jump to content

Most disappointing prospects of 2024?


Frobby

Recommended Posts

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

In the case of both Honeycutt and Holliday, I wouldn't pick them because my personal expectations weren't as high as other people's.   I'm certainly disappointed in both but I don't think my long-run expectation has been affected a lot by this year's performance.   In Beavers' case, I had some hopes he'd deserve a top 5 prospect rating once all the Norfolk prospects graduated.   I probably bought into last year's Bowie numbers a little too much.

If you take Beavers and Tavera’s expectations and then look at the results, it’s a no contest win for Braylin Tavera.     

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Biggest disappointments:

Jackson Holliday

Dylan Beavers

Vance Honeycutt 

Braylin Tavera

Luis Almeyda

Joshua Liranzo (somewhat SSS)

Luis De Leon

Carter Baumler

Trace Bright

Francisco Morao

 

 

Injury disappointments:

Keifer Lord

Teddy Sharkey

Jean Pinto

Max Wagner

Reese Trimble (not in terms of wiping out year but in terms of here we go again)

Noah Denoyer

Edited by Warehouse
  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

If you take Beavers and Tavera’s expectations and then look at the results, it’s a no contest win for Braylin Tavera.     

I just have vastly higher error bars for a 19-year old prospect in low A than I do for a guy returning to AA after a successful first couple of months there.   

Anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on a question like this.   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Warehouse said:

Biggest disappointments:

Jackson Holliday

Dylan Beavers

Vance Honeycutt 

Braylin Tavera

Luis Almeyda

Joshua Liranzo (somewhat SSS)

Luis De Leon

Carter Baumler

Trace Bright

Francisco Mora

Just curious - why Bright?   What were your expectations for him?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Warehouse said:

Biggest disappointments:

Jackson Holliday

Dylan Beavers

Vance Honeycutt 

Braylin Tavera

Luis Almeyda

Joshua Liranzo (somewhat SSS)

Luis De Leon

Carter Baumler

Trace Bright

Francisco Morao

 

 

Injury disappointments:

Keifer Lord

Teddy Sharkey

Jean Pinto

Max Wagner

Reese Trimble (not in terms of wiping out year but in terms of here we go again)

Noah Denoyer

To pick one, I would probably go with Holliday.  This is despite him still being better than all our other prospects.  However, while I think Jackson will be a very good player, I’m not sure sure he is going to be a star.  For instance, I’d probably take Merrill or Chourio over him now.  
 

The drop off in value in wins or dollars from going from a 70 FV to 60 FV is larger than the overall expected value of a 50 FV prospect.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, jabba72 said:

Have to go with Jackson Holliday for most disappointing prospect. .543 OPS in 177 PA's shows he's having a rough year. 

Yeah, but to put things into perspective he's like only a year older than guys like Alymeda, Maikol Hernandez, or Tavera, all that have flopped in A ball.  

I think Beavers is the winner for most disappointing.  Bowie is a hitter friendly environment.  He's been a low average/low power guy there.  Also, the fact that he's the player that hasn't gone in any trades should tell us all something.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Has to be Holliday or Mayo to me.  Both were so highly touted and were /are expected to really help us chase a pennant.  

To have BOTH of them struggling so badly (Holliday at a .543 OPS, Mayo at .310) when we need them the most is really dispiriting.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

On Holliday I say.....He's 20!.    He put up a 908 OPS at AAA.   That he had some trouble in the majors.....He's 20!    Give the young man a break.

 

No one here is calling him a bust or saying anything harsher than him having a disappointing season.  Do you think he's disappointed with how he has played?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

No one here is calling him a bust or saying anything harsher than him having a disappointing season.  Do you think he's disappointed with how he has played?

The question is who is the O's  most disappointing prospect?   No.   I don't find him the most disappointing at 20.    I'm pretty sure he is pretty confident he will grow into an important major leaguer.  If asked I think he will say he learned a lot.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, wildcard said:

On Holliday I say.....He's 20!.    He put up a 908 OPS at AAA.   That he had some trouble in the majors.....He's 20!    Give the young man a break.

 

And so is Jackson Chourio.

I can't think of anyone who has disappointed me more in 2024.  Doesn't mean he's a bust or a bum.  Just that he has had the biggest gap in terms of expectations vs results.   If you have an alternative answer I'd be curious to listen.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Posts

    • Great post.  I like your optimism, and I'll try to believe this team can turn things around just in the nick of time like some classic Hollywood baseball movie.
    • I think Elias has mostly done an excellent job with one exception -- he seems like he treats the bullpen like an afterthought.  I doubt that will happen again this coming offseason. I don't really blame him for the current offensive struggles overall.  Just too many injuries late in the season.  That said I don't understand how we went from dealing Austin Hays, Connor Norby and Ryan McKenna just so we could land the right handed bat of, gulp, Austin Slater.  
    • Man this team has no shot. Right now they may not even make it. 
    • Most of these guys are only playing because of injuries to starters.  But Austin Slater I'm guessing was brought in to replace the traded Austin Hays.  The problem is that Slater has shown little ability to hit lefties this year, after hitting them pretty well up to this season.  This must be why two teams dropped him before the O's picked him up.  I know he was let go much earlier in the season, but is Ryan McKenna actually worse than this guy?  I don't understand how the front office went from releasing McKenna to later trading Hays and Norby -- thinking their right handed bats could adequately be replaced by someone like Slater.  
    • I'm willing to give Elias some rope because of the strict limitations he was under with JA but he better not be so damn conservative again this year and let every serviceable FA out there sign with other teams while he's busy picking up reclamation projects again. Minus Burns of course.  
    • I agree completely that it’s irrelevant whether it worked.  But I don’t agree that bunting is clearly the right decision in either scenario, and I think that decision gets worse if it’s intended to be a straight sacrifice rather than a bunt for a hit. To be clear, the outcome you’re seeking in tonight’s situation, for example — sacrifice the runners over to 2nd/3rd — lowers both your run expectancy for the inning (from 1.44 to 1.39) and your win expectancy for the game (from 38.8% to 37.1%). It increases the likelihood of scoring one run, but it decreases the likelihood of scoring two runs (which you needed to tie) and certainly of scoring three or more runs (which you needed to take the lead).  And that’s if you succeed in getting them to 2nd/3rd. Research indicates that 15-30% of sacrifice bunt attempts fail, so you have to bake in a pretty significant percentage of the time that you’d just be giving up a free out (or even just two free strikes, as on Sunday). The bunt attempt in the 3rd inning on Sunday (which my gut hates more than if they’d done it today) actually is less damaging to the win probability — decreasing it only very slightly from 60.2% to 59.8%. More time left in the game to make up for giving up outs, I guess, and the scoreboard payoff is a bit better (in the sense that at least you’d have a better chance to take the lead).   At the bottom of it, these things mostly come down to gut and pure chance. The percentages are rarely overwhelming in either direction, and so sometimes even a “lower-percentage” play may work better under some circumstances. You would have bunted both times. I wouldn’t have bunted either time. Hyde bunted one time but not the other. I don’t know that anyone is an idiot (or even clearly “wrong”) for their preference. Either approach could have worked. Sadly, none of them actually did.
    • Wasn't Hyde always thought of more or less as a caretaker? I'm on the fence about him coming back. I totally get the injuries and that needs to be taking into consideration but man this collapse some heads have to roll who's I'm  mot sure 
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...