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I can understand the Angels turning down that particular offer, mainly because of Santana and Shields.

But if they're not even willing to part with Kendrick then we shouldn't even bother talking to them. He's far from "key contributor" status thus far. Hell, he's only been playing as of late. You can't expect the Orioles not to at least want ONE major league ready prospect in a deal.

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It appears Kendrick isn't going anywhere. The Baltimore Orioles reportedly have told Angels general manager Bill Stoneman that Miguel Tejada would be available for Kendrick, Scot Shields and Ervin Santana. Stoneman apparently passed.

I'd throw in Gibbons and even Rodrigo to get that done.

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Why do the O's think they're going to get ML players back in these deals??? The teams that are "buying" are teams that are looking to get that one player to put them "over the top" in their playoff run. As good as Tejada is why would any team plug a "hole" (with Tejada) and then create another "hole" in their lineup somewhere else. It's rare that a team will have that many quality backups or spare parts to do this. If the O's are going to trade Tejada, they're going to have to look for mostly minor league prospects... I'm not saying they should or shouldn't do such a trade but getting 2 "regulars" from a playoff contending team like this reported trade scenario isn't ever going to happen.

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I would offer Daniel Cabrera with Tejada if it brought back Santana, Wood, and two more prospects - possibly Sean Rodriquez and Saunders. Starting next next season with a rotation of Bedard, Santana, Penn, Loewen and Benson appeals to me. Put Wood at 3B, move Melvin to LF and Fahey to SS and you only have one remaining hole to file at 1B.

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Why do the O's think they're going to get ML players back in these deals??? The teams that are "buying" are teams that are looking to get that one player to put them "over the top" in their playoff run. As good as Tejada is why would any team plug a "hole" (with Tejada) and then create another "hole" in their lineup somewhere else. It's rare that a team will have that many quality backups or spare parts to do this. If the O's are going to trade Tejada, they're going to have to look for mostly minor league prospects... I'm not saying they should or shouldn't do such a trade but getting 2 "regulars" from a playoff contending team like this reported trade scenario isn't ever going to happen.

There are two potential answers to that... The first being that they accepted that they're still a few years from having a shot to maybe put together a winning team.

The second is more opinion than anything, but... I'm confident that the O's want star caliber players back so they don't lose the marketability they get with Tejada. He's a name. Why do you think we bothered acquiring Sosa last year?

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Why do the O's think they're going to get ML players back in these deals??? The teams that are "buying" are teams that are looking to get that one player to put them "over the top" in their playoff run. As good as Tejada is why would any team plug a "hole" (with Tejada) and then create another "hole" in their lineup somewhere else. It's rare that a team will have that many quality backups or spare parts to do this. If the O's are going to trade Tejada, they're going to have to look for mostly minor league prospects... I'm not saying they should or shouldn't do such a trade but getting 2 "regulars" from a playoff contending team like this reported trade scenario isn't ever going to happen.

You have to understand that trading for Tejada is not a buying move like Carlos Lee and Alfonso Soriano.

It is very different because the team who trades for Tejada will have him for the next three years.

The move will help them for the next three playoff runs.

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Theres only 1 prospect in that offer

Kendrick AND Santana would be 2 prospects.

As I posted in another thread, I seriously doubt the Angels will move Kendrick or Santana during the season. IMO, Wood, Adenhart and Kotchman would be doable and something I believe Stoneman would consider.

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Kendrick AND Santana would be 2 prospects.

As I posted in another thread, I seriously doubt the Angels will move Kendrick or Santana during the season. IMO, Wood, Adenhart and Kotchman would be doable and something I believe Stoneman would consider.

I think we can call Santana more than a prospect at this point. He's had a tremendous year. Kendrick is borderline, but Santana is definitely not a prospect anymore.
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Kendrick AND Santana would be 2 prospects.

As I posted in another thread, I seriously doubt the Angels will move Kendrick or Santana during the season. IMO, Wood, Adenhart and Kotchman would be doable and something I believe Stoneman would consider.

Then, to me anyway, they're not worth dealing with. No, I don't expect them to move Ervin Santana. I mean, he's part of their playoff rotation, assuming they make it.

Kendrick's only had 50 at bats. 50. Like I said, that's not enough to be a "key contributor". Plus, they'd be getting TEJADA, who would be a contributor for three more years. Orlanda Cabrera could play second, or third, as necessary.

If Kendrick's already off limits, then I can't see the Angels willing to part with enough to warrant a trade. It'd be like us refusing to trade Loewen for a star player.

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Kendrick AND Santana would be 2 prospects.

As I posted in another thread, I seriously doubt the Angels will move Kendrick or Santana during the season. IMO, Wood, Adenhart and Kotchman would be doable and something I believe Stoneman would consider.

Would it be more beneficial for the Orioles to wait for the off-season then to move Tejada?

If the Angels dont make the playoffs, will people in SoCal get impatient with Stoneman keeping these uber-prospects all the time?

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Guys, I think that reporter is just rehashing stuff that we knew two weeks ago, at least in terms of that offer. There was a different article that said we were rumored to have asked for Kendrick, Shields, and Santana. However, the Angels turned that down.

I think the key point in that article was that Stoneman is trying to steer trade partners toward Wood, Aybar, and Adenhart, which is a sign that he is willing to give up those guys in the right deal.

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Kendrick AND Santana would be 2 prospects.

As I posted in another thread, I seriously doubt the Angels will move Kendrick or Santana during the season. IMO, Wood, Adenhart and Kotchman would be doable and something I believe Stoneman would consider.

This would be a good deal for both teams.

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Would it be more beneficial for the Orioles to wait for the off-season then to move Tejada?

If the Angels dont make the playoffs, will people in SoCal get impatient with Stoneman keeping these uber-prospects all the time?

For what the FO seems to want in return, yes, it would make more sense in the offseason. Because then the market wouldn't be limited to contenders and prospects.

Though I doubt the Angels stance would change then.

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