Guthrie traded to Rockies for Hammel & Lindstrom

[Greg]

Guthrie is their #1? What happened to Ubaldo?

traded to Indians

[PaulFolk]

Any chance this could be part of a move to get Koji back? Especially if Gregg is part of the deal?

If the O's could trade Gregg for Koji, they would've done it long ago. I don't see how this trade has any affect on a possible Koji deal.

[waroriole]

We only save money if we were going to lose at arbitration. If we would have won, then we end up spending more money.

[CharmCityRocker]

Guthrie is their #1? What happened to Ubaldo?

Traded to CLE at the deadline last year.

[Pedro Cerrano]

This just reeks of PA. I just can't get that idea out of my head.

[canonfaz]

If the O's could trade Gregg for Koji, they would've done it long ago. I don't see how this trade has any affect on a possible Koji deal.

If we traded Guthrie to save 2m so that we could add more money to a trade with Texas for Koji, then we are in even more trouble that I thought (is that possible?).

[cb3fsu]

You are looking at this wrong. This has nothing to do with whether it hurts the Orioles at all.

The question is, how does it help us? We only save 1-2 million..so there is no real salary gain.

We obtain a reliever that isn't any better than any of the back end up guys we already have and he is making a lot of money.

We obtain a starter who has been pretty good in the past but is 29, only has 1 more year of service time than JG and is coming to a tougher division but one that he does know some from his time in TB.

If Hammel is what he was in 2009 and 2010 for the next 2 years, the Orioles have "won" this deal. If he has a big first half, its likely that his trade value would be higher than Guthrie's because of salary and service time.

But at the end of the day, the likely outcome is that he ends up being basically what Guthrie has been for us and he does it for one more year at a salary close to what Guthrie would earn for year as opposed to 2. But how does that advance the team? What difference does he make going forward for us? Even if he is a 4 WAR pitcher in each of the next 2 seasons, he isn't likely to extend here and you really shouldn't be all that excited giving a 3-4 year deal to a 30 y/o pitcher either. So, at best we may end up trading him or get back a pick or 2...both options that could have been there for Guthrie this season and with Guthrie, you basically know what you are going to get from him.

Its just a trade that makes little sense. While there is some upside to the trade, its basically a trade that does nothing for the team. It doesn't save you much money, you didn't clear a spot in the rotation for a young pitcher and you didn't obtain anyone who has potential long term value.

So, why did you do it?

You forget the main reason for this trade... Angelos gets to continue his streak of never losing an Arbitration case.

[paulcoates]

traded to Indians

Wow, you are right. I TOTALLY forgot about that trade

[Orange]

My best effort to look on the bright side... Hammel is 3 years younger than Guthrie and is under team control for two seasons. And, Lindstrom is a proven reliever who can compete for the closer job and push JJ. He is also controlled for two seasons. All of that, plus we saved a few bucks. (Seriously, a few... Guthrie agreed to a "friendly" deal with Colorado, so I'm guessing around $8.5 or so.)

[Greg]

danconnollysunDan Connolly

Guthrie agreed to a $8.2M deal with #Rockies. He has asked for $10.25 in arb; #Orioles countered with $7.25M

[canonfaz]

My best effort to look on the bright side... Hammel is 3 years younger than Guthrie and is under team control for two seasons. And, Lindstrom is a proven reliever who can compete for the closer job and push JJ. He is also controlled for two seasons. All of that, plus we saved a few bucks. (Seriously, a few... Guthrie agreed to a "friendly" deal with Colorado, so I'm guessing around $8.5 or so.)

Good try, but it doesn't matter how long someone is under team control if they aren't any good.

[Whammer]

My best effort to look on the bright side... Hammel is 3 years younger than Guthrie and is under team control for two seasons. And, Lindstrom is a proven reliever who can compete for the closer job and push JJ. He is also controlled for two seasons. All of that, plus we saved a few bucks. (Seriously, a few... Guthrie agreed to a "friendly" deal with Colorado, so I'm guessing around $8.5 or so.)

Bright side = plenty of goods seats available, at OPACY, in all price ranges.

[waroriole]

This makes a lot more sense if we don't take back Lindstrom.

[Greg]

CSNBrentBrent Harris

Jason Hamel has already pitched in the AL east before, for TB.. He was 7-15 with ERA's of 7.77, 6.14, 4.60... Career: 34-45, 4.99 ERA

[NewMarketSean]

CSNBrentBrent Harris

Jason Hamel has already pitched in the AL east before, for TB.. He was 7-15 with ERA's of 7.77, 6.14, 4.60... Career: 34-45, 4.99 ERA

Yeah but now he doesn't have to face the Orioles offense.