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utvolzac Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Is this a deal we would like if it were that 4 for 1?(not saying it is)

Triunfel and Tillman are high ceiling, very good prospects...Problem is, they are very young and very far away.

All we end up here is a dominant LOOGY(who could close) and Jones to help us immediately...And I know we don't need guys for this year persay but ML ready guys who aren't big question marks are important in a deal for Bedard IMO.

Those are my concerns as well. After Bedard is traded, the cupboard is pretty bare as far as tradable veteran commodities go.

I have very little concern about Adam Jones. But he cannot be the only piece that pans out in the Bedard deal, otherwise we are really screwed.

Theres just way too much risk with the rest of the package.

Triunfel is the 2nd most valuable piece of the deal,IMO. I like Triunfel's upside as much as the next guy, but alot can happen before this kid turns 21-22. If he's the 3rd piece of the deal, then it's a different story. Tillman is the same situation, teenage pitchers scare the bejesus out of me.

Sherrill = squat as far as I'm concerned. I didn't like Broxton in the rumored Dodger deal, I'm even less thrilled Sherrill is being mentioned. If he can close and we can deal him to another team at the deadline as a closer, okay. But if he ends up just being another LOOGY, then it's a loss in a Bedard trade, IMO.

If we're dealing with the M's, the deal MUST start with Jones & Clement, IMO. Since those players are both MLB ready and pretty projectable at this stage in their careers. Triunfel as the 3rd piece is reasonable, since he has lots of upside, but is a complete unknown at 17. I'd rather have any of their position prospects (Chen?) than Sherrill. We have plenty of pitching depth now and I'm not blown away by any of Seattle's pitchers (including Morrow) to demand that a pitcher be part of the Bedard deal. I'd take 4 position prospects (Jones, Clement, Triunfel & Chen) and run with it.

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"Help immediately" doesn't mean we care about next year - it means that there's not a long track of development ahead of the player. "Help immediately" means "developed."

High ceiling is fine, but when they're young, you're still running a huge risk. It really is like managing an investment portfolio. Diversify the risk.

Buying all-in on tech stocks - high ceiling - is nuts.

I agree. And, "help immediately" also means "more expensive". If you trust your talent evaluators, you can get a huge haul and turn a franchise around with a deal like this. If you go with the "help immediately" guys that you described, you get a lot less.

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With all of the players we're rumored to be getting, someone will have to go back to make room on our 40 man. Right?

Right...I would like to see the deal be much larger:

Mariners get:

Payton

Millar

Bedard

Cherry/Aquino/FCab....Or any of the disposable pitchers on the 40 man

Orioles get:

Sexson

Sherrill

Triunfel

Jones

Clement

Chen

10 player deals obviously don't happen often but to get us Clement, Jones and Triunfel, we should try and take on Sexson...They can take 2 of our vets but they can help them and they save money on Sexson's contract.

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Triunfel is a nice gamble to take, but keep in mind, a few years ago Ed Rogers was a hotshot 19 year old SS prospect that couldn't miss either. Let's just hope we bat at least .600 on the young players we are getting back this offseason.

Problem was he wasn't 19!

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You know this board must be obsessed with Triunfel when you google "Triunfel baseball cube" to take another look at his stats and two of the top 3 links are to this board, lol.

This would be an a sweet haul. Perhaps AM is dragging this to see if any last minute suitors want to get in?

I'd also like Clement too, but this would be a good deal, definitely.

How much do you want to bet that when people read this, at least half the people who read this went and searched it...

Man I love this site!!

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You're some salesman!

Ain't that the truth.

Well, he did hit .285 with a .353 on base against lefties last year which is solid but I wouldn't call his defense anything spectacular.

Maybe he'll pull his head out of his arse if playing with a contender with something on the line but last year, especially towards the end of the year he wasn't that great in the field.

Where's blueberryale? She'll easily be able to recount all the times he didn't hustle and botched plays in the field. ;)

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I agree. And, "help immediately" also means "more expensive". If you trust your talent evaluators, you can get a huge haul and turn a franchise around with a deal like this. If you go with the "help immediately" guys that you described, you get a lot less.

You get a lot less but it's balanced by a higher probability of success. This isn't a radical concept. Risk management is pretty much the main job of a GM.

Diversification is important. You can disagree all you like, but going "younger and younger" is a short-path to having little to show for the trade.

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Ain't that the truth.

Well, he did hit .285 with a .353 on base against lefties last year which is solid but I wouldn't call his defense anything spectacular.

Maybe he'll pull his head out of his arse if playing with a contender with something on the line but last year, especially towards the end of the year he wasn't that great in the field.

Where's blueberryale? She'll easily be able to recount all the times he didn't hustle and botched plays in the field. ;)

He isn't spectacular defensively but he does bring some things to the table that are valuable to a contender.

He is probably more valuable in the NL than the AL though.

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You get a lot less but it's balanced by a higher probability of success. This isn't a radical concept. Risk management is pretty much the main job of a GM.

Diversification is important. You can disagree all you like, but going "younger and younger" is a short-path to having little to show for the trade.

This deal gives us both. I'm not sure what you're arguing. Are you saying you'd rather have someone older than Triunfel in this deal? Or, do you just dislike this deal all together?

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You get a lot less but it's balanced by a higher probability of success. This isn't a radical concept. Risk management is pretty much the main job of a GM.

Diversification is important. You can disagree all you like, but going "younger and younger" is a short-path to having little to show for the trade.

Agreed. I'm not against Triunfel or Tillman being part of the package, just not the bulk of the package. We need another solid prospect like Clement to be part of the deal to increase the chances that we actually see some return for Bedard. If the bulk of the deal is teenagers, we're really taking a huge risk that nothing severe happens in the next 4,5 years in their development. Especially with teenage pitchers, a blown elbow or a change up that doesn't develop and we're down to a 3 for one deal.

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Jones

Clement

Triunfel/Tillman

Chen

This seems to be the best deal for us.

I can't imagine this exact deal happening. If it does, then I'll think AM is a genius and played this better than any of us could have expected. But I'll believe it when I see it.

This would be an incredible haul for the O's. We'd get two very solid guys ready to contribute at the MLB level, one young guy with huge upside, and another guy who is a little bit more than just a throw-in.

It just seems too good to be true. And too much in the O's favor.

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This deal gives us both. I'm not sure what you're arguing. Are you saying you'd rather have someone older than Triunfel in this deal? Or, do you just dislike this deal all together?

Its the idea of getting surer things...If this were anyone else, I would be fine with it but for Bedard, you need as many sure things as you can get.

And when I say sure things, i am talking high ceiling guys...Clement and Jones are examples of this...Get those 2 and then there are many combinations that would work for the other 2 players.

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