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Oh sure. I should be. It isn't. But I live my life with that as a goal. Fairness.

I think we just found the next baseball commissioner. Sir Weams.

Michael, I gave up on fairness in baseball many years ago. It hasn't been fair since the Yankees stole that playoff game with Jeffery Maier. What a rook that was. Then the Yankees started spending big and then they put a team in Washington. Talk about handicaps.

Go get 'em Weams. I'll be rooting for you.

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I think we just found the next baseball commissioner. Sir Weams.

Michael, I gave up on fairness in baseball many years ago. It hasn't been fair since the Yankees stole that playoff game with Jeffery Maier. What a rook that was. Then the Yankees started spending big and then they put a team in Washington. Talk about handicaps.

Go get 'em Weams. I'll be rooting for you.

If he is in favor of robot umps then he will have my support.

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I wish I could, but the more I look at the numbers, the more gaps in the data I find. For example, total revenues does not equal the sum of the subcategories listed such as gate receipts, concessions...etc. Does this mean there are other revenue sources not listed? It would seem that way, but the problem is here are the other revenue sources needed to get to the total revenue figure listed: BAL +$44M; BOS +$66M, NYY +$10M; TBR +$61M; TOR +$80M. Which of these things don't belong? NYY +$10M? Less "other revenue sources" than the other teams in the division by far? No chance.

Below are the total revenues from Bloomberg and the opening day payroll figures per Deadspin. Now if you take revenues - less payroll - less other expenses = net profit/loss. Once again, we run into a problem because look at the "other expenses" for each team to get to Bloomberg's net gain/loss

CAT	BAL	BOS	NYY	TBR	TORrev.	210.0	405.0	570.0	175.0	220.0pay$	91.8	159.0	229.0	57.0	118.2O.E.	98.2	302.0	438.0	89.0	89.8net	20.0	-56.0	-97.0	29.0	12.0

What "other expenses" besides payroll would Boston and NY have that dwarf the rest of the division? Boston saved a bunch of money on shaving cream, after all :D The bottom line is Bloomberg is giving us a really incomplete picture, but that's to be expected I guess until a team opens up its books to the public. Yeah, that'll happen. I think several years ago, Flanagan gave some "off the record" financial data to a small select group of OHers over dinner. I wasn't invited - big mistake ;) If the OH management wants to set up something with Duquette, I'm there.

I expect a major reason for the losses for NY and Boston is that both teams have artificially low TV rights fees for the owners to make $ on their networks thus 1) avoiding sharing 34% of the true TV rights fees (as PA is doing); and 2) keeping payroll lower by showing a loss.

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Lot of bad economics in this thread... as if the team's value really has anything to do with payroll.

You are going to have to explain why you think it doesn't. Net worth of a person and/or an entity clearly affects ability to incur expense.

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You are going to have to explain why you think it doesn't. Net worth of a person and/or an entity clearly affects ability to incur expense.

It seems pretty clear that Angelos wants the team to be self sufficient - for the payroll to be covered by annual revenues - so the value of the team isn't really that meaningful.

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I expect a major reason for the losses for NY and Boston is that both teams have artificially low TV rights fees for the owners to make $ on their networks thus 1) avoiding sharing 34% of the true TV rights fees (as PA is doing); and 2) keeping payroll lower by showing a loss.
Here is Bloomberg's lists of media rights: BAL $80.0M (15th), BOS $89.0M (7th), NYY $158.0M (1st), TBR $59.0M (22nd), TOR $65.0M (22nd).

They also list Washington at $83M (11th). O.K., why is Washington different than Baltimore? Obviously media rights include much more than MASN.

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Here is Bloomberg's lists of media rights: BAL $80.0M (15th), BOS $89.0M (7th), NYY $158.0M (1st), TBR $59.0M (22nd), TOR $65.0M (22nd).

They also list Washington at $83M (11th). O.K., why is Washington different than Baltimore? Obviously media rights include much more than MASN.

Radio, maybe? The numbers above probably also include national $$?

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The Orioles can afford to spend a lot more. If not now, when? At least sign a TOR starter and a great DH. A TOR is like 6 WAR and a great DH is like 3 WAR. That's 9 wins. Sure would've loved an extra 9 wins this year.

So, what TOR SP, that is worth 6 wins, is available this year?

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