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I don't see why anyone has any sort of faith left in Zach Britton. He's awful. I would actually rather see Matusz return to SP than see Zach Britton start again. At least Matusz has a healthy arm.

That was exactly my point. I believe this indicates that the current plan might be to go with Tillman/Chen/M-Gon/Norris as the top 4 and let in house options such as Britton, Gausman, and Stinson compete for the 5th spot in ST.

Which will work out magnificently I'm sure :rofl:

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That was exactly my point. I believe this indicates that the current plan might be to go with Tillman/Chen/M-Gon/Norris as the top 4 and let in house options such as Britton, Gausman, and Stinson compete for the 5th spot in ST.

Which will work out magnificently I'm sure :rofl:

If we do this AGAIN, forget it. Our team stinks. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and inspecting different results!

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That was exactly my point. I believe this indicates that the current plan might be to go with Tillman/Chen/M-Gon/Norris as the top 4 and let in house options such as Britton, Gausman, and Stinson compete for the 5th spot in ST.

Which will work out magnificently I'm sure :rofl:

I'm sure we'll also add a few guys off the scrap heap to the mix too.

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I actually like our rotation, too. Just not as a finished product. I like Tillman, Gonzo and Chen. I think Norris can be good enough at the back end and I'm good with Gausman on the horizon as well as Wright. I just don't like that we have 4 guys and not 5.

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If we do this AGAIN, forget it. Our team stinks. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and inspecting different results!

And then when we inevitably lose one or more of them to an injury (injuries happen, it's just how baseball goes), we'll see an exceptional parade of trash.

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The sad thing about our starting rotation this year? We're in the same boat this year, except instead of Hammel we have Norris.

Dan Duquette and the Orioles will be making a HUGE mistake if they're betting everything that Gausman or one of the cavalry contributes this year to the SP as a mainline starter (i.e. Matusz, Britton, Johnson, etc.).

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Yeah Burnett would be great. I trust him only a little bit less than I trust Garza and he would come at a significantly smaller price in terms of dollars, years and a pick. I think DD should have a 1/10 offer on the table. Enough, hopefully, to outbid the Pirates and keep him from retiring. I'd even be fine with 1/12 since it would still give us more flexibility than signing Feldman and certainly more than Garza.

This. Burnett has been solid the last 2 years and still has good stuff. It seems so simple to this fan.

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I wanted Burnett in Baltimore when he left NY. There's absolutely no reason you don't get him. You need a real veteran on that pitching staff. That 10 million saved from Johnson should go directly to AJ Burnett. Trading a closer for a veteran starter would turn that Jemile Weeks trade around in a heartbeat.

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This. Burnett has been solid the last 2 years and still has good stuff. It seems so simple to this fan.
I wanted Burnett in Baltimore when he left NY. There's absolutely no reason you don't get him. You need a real veteran on that pitching staff. That 10 million saved from Johnson should go directly to AJ Burnett. Trading a closer for a veteran starter would turn that Jemile Weeks trade around in a heartbeat.

Seriously? AJ Burnett?

He is only marginally better then Norris or Feldman and is 6 years older.

He isn't a bad addition, but he is far from a game changer.

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Here's a question: say the O's can't get Garza, Burnett, or even Feldman. Would you rather have those in-house guys compete for the 5th spot or sign Hammel again?

There are more FA options than just those guys- other include Jimenez, Arroyo, Halladay, Maholm, Colon, etc., and any one of those is preferable to the dreaded 5th starter cometition, IMO. If the team is actually serious about contending, one of those guys should be attainable. If for some reason none of the pitchers we've listed will sign here(i.e.- no actual effort put into signing one of them), then pursue trying to get something done via trade.

The Britton/Gausman/Stinson/scraps competition should be the absolute worst case scenario not something intentionally planned for and chosen by the FO. But that's exactly what I think might happen based on that comment.

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He's had a nice couple of years as a Pirate, but the thing is you can see his WHIP increases whenever he pitches for an AL team. His best years were in Florida and Pittsburgh. So.. best case scenario he'd probably be a high-3, low-4 ERA guy for the O's. Which isn't bad if you can get him on a 1-year deal as opposed to Feldman on 2 or 3.

Yeah Burnett is okay on a 1 year deal to compete for the 5th spot, but there are a ton of those guys available.

The Orioles need MORE talent, not lateral moves.

I think Feldman has a better shot at actually putting together a good year as opposed to just league average.

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All true, but 3 solid starters does not a rotation make.

If its Feldman and Norris...that's not great.

Garza and Norris with Gausman in AAA is pretty nice rotation.

Feldman was 2.1 fWAR last year. Garza was 2.2. Big difference, about 7 M more for 0.1 fWAR.

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Feldman was 2.1 fWAR last year. Garza was 2.2. Big difference, about 7 M more for 0.1 fWAR.

That's a down year for Garza, who I expect to be closer to his career numbers.

Career ERA+ for Garza: 108

Feldman: 96

Bud Norris: 91 (albeit he is the youngest)

Really, best case is Garza, Feldman, and Norris. That's depth and more talent.

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