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You are forgetting Webb and Aceves have been added to the equation now... both have proven they can get lefties and righties out at times in their career. I think there will be a good battle in Spring Training.

Maybe there is but I have read or hear several times that Webb is not a candidate to close. Aceves when he got the chance to close was successful 25 times out for 30. That is 83%. That is not good enough. I really don't like the in-house options that being considered according to reports I have read.

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I always liked Britton the best of that group of prospects. If someone could convince me he's healthy (or that he could get healthy eventually) I'd be hyping him big time. I just don't that kid's shoulder is, or will ever be, right. Hoping I'm wrong...

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I always liked Britton the best of that group of prospects. If someone could convince me he's healthy (or that he could get healthy eventually) I'd be hyping him big time. I just don't that kid's shoulder is, or will ever be, right. Hoping I'm wrong...

I'm exactly the same place. I was highest on Britton of any of the Cavalry. What was it? 3 years ago? His first ST. I saw a couple ST outings on TV, one against the Yanks, and his sinker was like from another planet. Mowing down good hitters, not just a bunch of #98s. He has fallen so far since.

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I'm exactly the same place. I was highest on Britton of any of the Cavalry. What was it? 3 years ago? His first ST. I saw a couple ST outings on TV, one against the Yanks, and his sinker was like from another planet. Mowing down good hitters, not just a bunch of #98s. He has fallen so far since.

A kid with great stuff, who can't command it, will often look good first time around the league. Hitters learned to lay off the sinker, and forced him to elevate it.

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Great thread, Wildcard. I am also annoyed by the happy talk about Britton and the O's bullpen.

Britton has had stretches of effectiveness before, and if healthy he could step forward. But he's never been as highly regarded a prospect as Tillman, and calling him the next Tillman strikes me as someone trying to make a lame argument for why the O's should stand pat in the rotation. Someone said earlier in the thread that Britton is more like the next Arietta. I hope that the O's don't waste the first part of the season with Britton in the rotation they way that they wasted time with Arietta in 2013.

And I completely agree about Jim Johnson versus the O's current bullpen hopefuls. There is nobody in the O's organization who is as qualified to be a closer today as JJ was when he took over the role for the O's. If Tommy Hunter can show he can pitch 3 days straight and comes up with a new trick to keep lefties from digging in, then he'd probably be fine, but why should a contending team risk it's whole season on hoping that someone will make a great leap forward?

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Thanks for your usual bashing, always good to read.

Pitching spots have been won in ST training before, doesn't happen often, but it can happen.

Glad to see you have the inside track to the Orioles FO and assured of a pitching FA signee, I don't share that confidence.

I see anyone who disagrees with you is bashing you? You don't have to have an inside track to know that established SP that you have given significant value up in trade for, do not get replaced by struggling young used to be prospects, just because they have a good spring.:rolleyestf:
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Three things that bug me when I hear or read them.

3) Seeing Miguel Gonzalez being push down or minimized as a starter.

This is not so much a myth as a perception. I see Gonzalez being slighted as a starter pretty often. Fact is Miguel is 20-12, 3.65 ERA and a 1.217 WHIP over that last season and a half as a starter. That is a quality starter. Better numbers than Chen.

Some want to talk about his need for rest or him not going deep enough in games. These are both things that Buck has dealt with effectively and the results have been that Gonzalez has been the 2nd best starter for the O's for the last season and a half. Drives me nuts to see him not get the respect due him.

Just some things I want to get off my chest. Thanks for reading.

Miguel was highlighted yesterday among the 5th starter candidate panel.

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Miguel was highlighted yesterday among the 5th starter candidate panel.

Tillman, Chen, and Gonzalez are the top 3 starters. Chen and Gonzalez shut down the Yankees in the playoffs and Tillman didn't even pitch. Gonzalez gets overlooked because nobody wants to admit a no name from the Mexican league is one of the best O's starters but he is.

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Tillman, Chen, and Gonzalez are the top 3 starters. Chen and Gonzalez shut down the Yankees in the playoffs and Tillman didn't even pitch. Gonzalez gets overlooked because nobody wants to admit a no name from the Mexican league is one of the best O's starters but he is.

I think he might be our closer.

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Miguel has a 2.31 ERA out of the pen in 2012. However he has been too good as a starter to be put in the pen at this point. The O's need starter too much for a switch at this point.

This. Even if he would be a great closer we couldn't spare him from the rotation.

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