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CA-ORIOLE Hangout Grand Counsel

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I've seen you say this before in regards to him pitching from the stretch, but it's really the same modified delivery Tillman uses.

I agree they had a need but Jake is a thoroughbred. Just once I wanted them to say,"You don't need all of these pitches." He needed to be reigned in a bit. He is throwing a cutter to LHB now that is filthy.

I thought you might like the horse analogy.

Semantics maybe. His toes are pointing to third base, not the plate. I consider that to be the t stretch position. In any event, like Tillman, they have simplified his delivery and it has helped.

As for the horse analogy. Mine is always pretty to watch. Jake not so much.

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I think the Padres wanted Davis and Arrieta, so it's presumptive to say we wouldn't have given him up for Headley. We surely would have imo if he were the centerpiece.

I think it's fair to say we could have stashed him in the BP and worked with him more. The Cubs have him working from the stretch exclusively. The trade was fair. You don't satisfy a need for nothing. We've been the Cubs and I'd rather be us. It's the cost of doing business.

I wasn't trying to imply that we wouldn't've traded him straight up for Headley. Just referring to the fact that we clearly valued him then. IIRC Duquette made some comments to that effect, or if not, there was a reliable source saying the Orioles really didn't want to give up Jake and/or Britton.

Cost of doing business perhaps, but the teams that really get ahead and stay ahead are those that don't stop making forward-thinking moves once they are contenders. I don't think the A's and the Rays would've made that same deal, those teams are more likely to even be looking for a guy like Arrieta when they're contending than trading him. Mind I'm a supporter of Duquette's but I just think they were, like I said, a bit too reactive in this case.

With premier arms like Arrieta's I'm very much of the philosophy that you stick with them til the bloody end. I'm pretty confident we could've found a deal with Chicago not involving Arrieta, hence why my sense is that we just decided we were done with him as 99% of the fan base had months before.

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If he were with us he would have been in a bullpen role probably as a short reliever not a starter (Matusz/Britton). There is value in that sure, but its also easily replaceable.

In the end he went where he needed to go. To a rebuilding team in a no-pressure pitcher friendly situation where he could start every 5th day and try to figure things out. That simply wasn't going to happen here.

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He needed a change of scenery. If he has actually turned it around, it's a resurgence that wouldn't have happened in Baltimore IMO.

That said, he has had these 4-6 game stretches of greatness before. And the collapse is usually just as sudden... with an out of nowhere performance of about 1.1 IP and 6 earned runs.

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Cubs' Jake Arrieta perfect through 6 vs. Reds. Been phenomenal this year: 56.1 IP, 64 K, 1.76 ERA. Was main return in Scott Feldman deal.

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Playing in the NL Central, no pressure, without 9 million pitching coaches and a manager telling him to work on his TTP...in addition to the sports psychologist appears to be paying dividends (remember his biggest issue was pitching with runners on base).

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We gave him every chance.. if only he had done it here. = (

We could have given him the same chance we gave to Britton. That is, to fully recover from an injury a FULL season after having a procedure. We didn't. So, every chance isn't accurate. It's opinion and it's shared by many here. Not by me.

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