Stan "The Fan" Charles: Failing To Re-Sign Chris Davis Could Set Orioles Back For Years

[Stotle]

It takes at least half a decade of being the worst team to do that. Anymore. Since you can't buy the "TypeA" guys at the end and turn them into extra high picks.

Cubs, Astros, Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Red Sox disagree.

[EagleOriole]

I'll throw my support behind whoever's already said that failing to develop a decent MiL system is what will set the O's back for years.

I just think our system is really underrated. Our top teams are winning teams and there is talent on those ball clubs.

[weams]

Cubs, Astros, Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Red Sox disagree.

2014 Houston Astros American League 70 92 .432 28.0 1,751,829

2013 Houston Astros American League 51 111 .315 45.0 5 1,651,911

2012 Houston Astros National League 55 107 .340 42.0 6 1,607,733

2011 Houston Astros National League 56 106 .346 40.0 6 2,067,016

2010 Houston Astros National League 76 86 .469 15.0 4 2,331,490

2009 Houston Astros National League 74 88 .457 17.0 5 2,521,076

[weams]

Cubs, Astros, Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Red Sox disagree.

2014 Chicago Cubs National League 73 89 .451 17.0 2,652,113

2013 Chicago Cubs National League 66 96 .407 31.0 5 2,642,682

2012 Chicago Cubs National League 61 101 .377 36.0 5 2,882,756

2011 Chicago Cubs National League 71 91 .438 25.0 5 3,017,966

2010 Chicago Cubs National League 75 87 .463 16.0 5 3,062,973

[weams]

Cubs, Astros, Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Red Sox disagree.

You have me on Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Sox.

[OFFNY]

It takes at least half a decade of being the worst team to do that. Anymore. Since you can't buy the "TypeA" guys at the end and turn them into extra high picks.

The Cubs, Astros, Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Red Sox disagree.

2014 Houston Astros American League 70 92 .432 28.0 1,751,829

2013 Houston Astros American League 51 111 .315 45.0 5 1,651,911

2012 Houston Astros National League 55 107 .340 42.0 6 1,607,733

2011 Houston Astros National League 56 106 .346 40.0 6 2,067,016

2010 Houston Astros National League 76 86 .469 15.0 4 2,331,490

2009 Houston Astros National League 74 88 .457 17.0 5 2,521,076

Although this illustrates that the Astros have sustained 6 consecutive losing seasons, I believe that only 3 of them represent the Astros as being "the worst."

2009 and 2010 were bad seasons, but they were far from the worst 1 or 2 teams in all of baseball.

2014 was bad (70-92), but it was still a marked improvement over the previous 3 horrendous seasons, and likely a sign of what was to come in 2015 and beyond for the Astros. In fact, as far back as June of 2013, the Astros' owner and GM (Jim Crane and Jeff Luhnow) were confident of their team's foreseen future. The next season (2014) saw the Astros go from horrible to below average, and the season after that (2015) is seeing the Astros playing as a bonafide contender in the A.L. West division well past the midway point of the schedule.

[Guest rochester]

I don't think that is even available to be considered.

that's why I said "in a perfect world"

[Guest rochester]

He had an exemption.

He either chose to let it lapse or he lost it in the crackdown.

He very publicly failed a test and was suspended.

He was again awarded an exemption.

I do not think a scenario where he once again loses the exemption is likely.

I agree, unless they change the rules...

[El Gordo]

I won't argue the rest, But I do not believe this. At all.

When all the defensive metrics agree on a player I tend to accept it.

[abbott]

I agree with that assessment. That's a lot to pay for 30 HRs and 180 Ks. 3/40 is a good deal.

[Shabadoo25]

Except that Davis has a 1.338 OPS off Bartolo Colon. 2-for-5 with a homer off Wade Davis. 3-for-8 with a homer and a double off Hisashi Iwakuma. 3-for-5 off Jake Arrieta. Three homers and a double off Ivan Nova. Five extra base hits in 30 ABs off Jeremy Hellickson. Three homers off of Rick Porcello. Two homers and a double off James Shields. A .991 OPS off Mark Buehrle. A .972 off Erik Bedard. A homer off Koji in 8 ABs. A .841 OPS off John Lackey. Slugs .571 off Ervin Santana and .577 off Hiroki Kuroda.

Excellent cherry picking. I doubt most of those stats were earned in the last 2 years. Also, there are more mid level pitchers in your post than studs.

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[El Gordo]

Excellent cherry picking. I doubt most of those stats were earned in the last 2 years. Also, there are more mid level pitchers in your post than studs.

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Cherry picking is better than pure unresearched hyperbole.

[wildcard]

I still think this is unlikely. Yes, we have a lot of money coming off the books, but we will also have huge gaps on the team. Given how resourceful Dan is at acquiring bullpen arms, I'm extremely skeptical Dan is going to commit 20+ million dollars to O'Day when our outfield is a wasteland, our rotation is losing one of its most consistent starters, and both 1B and DH are huge question marks. At the very least, Dan is going to need to get a decent outfielder and starter. Those two alone could eat up ~thirty million dollars of next year's payroll. Then he's going to need some money for depth signings and stop gaps. I think it's more likely that Dan trades away Britton than it is that he signs O'Day.

Did you think that Dan would sign Hardy to an extension last year?

[DrungoHazewood]

Excellent cherry picking. I doubt most of those stats were earned in the last 2 years. Also, there are more mid level pitchers in your post than studs.

You said good pitchers have an easy time striking out Davis four times a game. I showed you lots of good pitchers he's had success against. Would you like to do a more comprehensive study?

[Redskins Rick]

I would love to know how many game winning hits he has had over the years, and how many walkoffs.

I know he has come through for the team many times over the years, and not just the other day against Oakland.