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Davis Signs With Baltimore (7/$161M, incl $42M deferred)

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webbrick2010 Hangout Veteran Council

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Well now we are the Philadelphia Phillies

Every long term contract we have signed is either already a disaster (Hardy) or will be a disaster (O'day and Wieters)

even Jones is in decline and won't be worth the 18M over his last couple of years

We spent a lot of money to lock up 30+ year players that will all decline

Davis is just not 160 million dollars good. All he does is hit HR's, low batting average, high strike outs and he doesn't play a defensive position of significance.

Would have been better off with Cespedes for 6/120

Who is going to play OF on this team? We are set up to be one of the slowest most un-athletic teams in ML baseball

a truly offensive defensive team. Can't wait to see Trumbo and Davis and Kim lumbering in the OF

We have locked up losing records for the next decade.

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This could possibly go down as one of the worst contracts in baseball history from a team that cannot afford to throw money away.

The long term implications are not good. It's mind boggling that we gave Chris this much money when there were no other offers on the table or even teams showing interest not to mention cheaper and likely better/safer options available.

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Look, if the payroll has been reset and we now plan to baseline at 150M plus then I'm ecstatic about that and the future of the team. I am just very dubious that we actually plan to make that sort of quantum leap forward in payroll. If the payroll isn't 150M plus going forward than this deal is going to eventually hamstring us significantly. That's what I don't want to see.

You're right that time will tell, but I just find it hard to believe that PGA is ready to support that sort of payroll. Maybe the MASN / Nats situation was a bigger deal than we even thought and we feel good about it now.

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I agree completely. It certainly quells the excitement around this deal because we know the worst case scenario and it is very bleak, but we don't know for sure until we see how the rest of this offseason shakes out!

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They also need to want to sign here. Can't imagine either would for the money they got where they were comfortable.

Right. I mean we are dealing with people. I remember when we were rumored to be in the hunt for Carlos Lee some years back and it apparently came down to us and Houston. Well he chose Houston because he had a ranch in Texas though I'm sure he wasn't complaining about Texas not having a state income tax but the point is making contracts with players is no different from how we all approach trying to find our jobs- we have things like geographic preference, pay, etc. I mean it's a lot more money obviously but the fact is ultimately you're dealing with a person with needs. Now that said, I really do hope we can get a pitcher and perhaps another OFer. The corner outfield was a big disappointment last year with De Snider or whatever you want to call that and the starting pitching regressed as well.

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Look, if the payroll has been reset and we now plan to baseline at 150M plus then I'm ecstatic about that and the future of the team. I am just very dubious that we actually plan to make that sort of quantum leap forward in payroll. If the payroll isn't 150M plus going forward than this deal is going to eventually hamstring us significantly. That's what I don't want to see.

You're right that time will tell, but I just find it hard to believe that PGA is ready to support that sort of payroll. Maybe the MASN / Nats situation was a bigger deal than we even thought and we feel good about it now.

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Yes. Exactly this.

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Look, if the payroll has been reset and we now plan to baseline at 150M plus then I'm ecstatic about that and the future of the team. I am just very dubious that we actually plan to make that sort of quantum leap forward in payroll. If the payroll isn't 150M plus going forward than this deal is going to eventually hamstring us significantly. That's what I don't want to see.

You're right that time will tell, but I just find it hard to believe that PGA is ready to support that sort of payroll. Maybe the MASN / Nats situation was a bigger deal than we even thought and we feel good about it now.

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I just see this as a special investment. I don't see this as the new normal.

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So the Cespedes rumor gets them back to the bargaining table so the O's can continue outbidding themselves. Chalk that up as a win baby!

This deal will almost certainly be a disaster. I was already strongly against the first offer.

I think the Orioles can shave a million off a year. Especially if the deal backfires and the team stinks.

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Look, if the payroll has been reset and we now plan to baseline at 150M plus then I'm ecstatic about that and the future of the team. I am just very dubious that we actually plan to make that sort of quantum leap forward in payroll. If the payroll isn't 150M plus going forward than this deal is going to eventually hamstring us significantly. That's what I don't want to see.

You're right that time will tell, but I just find it hard to believe that PGA is ready to support that sort of payroll. Maybe the MASN / Nats situation was a bigger deal than we even thought and we feel good about it now.

I think the MASN deal was one of the best things for the Orioles. Angelos is doing better then ever.

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MASN deal saved Angelos.

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They also need to want to sign here. Can't imagine either would for the money they got where they were comfortable.

Even if we had to pay both Gordon and Kazmir the an additional 20-30%, it would still be roughly equal to the total value of CD's contract. I get that it's more AAV but also much less long-term risk. Especially since we apparently gave CD a no-trade.

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