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Redskins Rick Hangout Grand Counsel

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3 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

He is.  But put him on the NYY and let him have to face BOS, BAL, TOR 10-12 starts a year with a DH and see if he dominates the same way.  He'd be great but his ERA would suffer.  

Strasburg- might be done.  2nd TJ

Gio- 4.5 ERA in the NL

Roark and Ross are SP's with ok stuff that benefit from pitching in the NL. See Bud Norris, Scott Feldman, Jason Hammel as examples.    

I just don't see what is so impressive with that staff.  I'd rather have our staff and great bullpen to face AL lineups.  

I agree with all but the Scherezer comments.

His last three years with the Tigers was 4.2, 6.7 and 6.0. Outstanding for a SP.

His career WAR is at 37 and well on his way to HOF caliber, before he is finished.

 

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Back to O's pitching.  If we could somehow unload one of Ubaldo/Miley/Gallardo, I wouldn't mind bringing back Hunter or Worley.  Both are good "B" squad relievers that can eat innings to protect the "A" squad and also keep us in a game we're losing.  You really don't want Britton, Brach, O'day and Givens pitching in low leverage situations.  

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32 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Back to O's pitching.  If we could somehow unload one of Ubaldo/Miley/Gallardo, I wouldn't mind bringing back Hunter or Worley.  Both are good "B" squad relievers that can eat innings to protect the "A" squad and also keep us in a game we're losing.  You really don't want Britton, Brach, O'day and Givens pitching in low leverage situations.  

I lean towards keeping Miley since he is a LHP.

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2 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

Why, its an assinie idea to trade Britton? IMO

Even wildcard teams can win WS now, the goal is to make the playoffs and go from there. The best team, doesn't always actually win the WS.

We can get in without Britton, so you reload for young starting pitching prospects now if you care about the long-term competitiveness of the franchise, that's why.

And despite the OH spreading the fallacy that anyone can win the WS if you just get in, starting pitching is a large part of that formula that this team greatly lacks. Is it possible to win with poor starting pitching? Sure. I guess, anything is possible, just look at the events of 2016, but highly unlikely and not a formula for long-term sustainability.

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2 hours ago, waroriole said:

What would you do?

A lot of stuff differently:)

Right now? Man, I wouldn't have signed Gallardo or traded for Miley, that's for sure. But it is what it is.

I would do whatever I could to get rid of Ubaldo, highly unlikely. Same with both Gallardo and or Miley. Get rid of the one with the highest offer, used other 2 as innings eaters and trade away Britton for a haul of young starting pitching talent. Make Brach and/or Joe Jordan's SS of the future, the closer. We will still be competitive. One of those prospects have to be AA or AAA and we plug them in mid-season.

Heck, if we can get a good SP prospect with Grandy for Brach, I would do that and make O'day or Givens the closer and I still think we will be competitive.

I would sadly talk to the Nats about Gio Gonzalez. He might be okay in the AL East for 1 year. Pickings are slim, that's why don't give up on the Jake Arietta's of the world but I digress...

I need to comb over the list of SP available, but I know the list is thin. I would have gone after Dickey, was disappointed he signed with Braves so quickly.

 

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20 hours ago, weams said:

Or Bundy. He has not won a job. 

That would shock me. He showed enough last year that he should have a leg up in the competition for a rotation spot. He has better stuff than than Larry, Moe and Curley. If Buck goes all veteran on us I would seriously question his ability to judge talent.

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Just now, Satyr3206 said:

That would shock me. He showed enough last year that he should have a leg up in the competition for a rotation spot. He has better stuff than than Larry, Moe and Curley. If Buck goes all veteran on us I would seriously question his ability to judge talent.

LOL-that's funny. Like he has any competition otherwise. Yeah man, Tyler Wilson is breathing down his neck:)

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2 hours ago, Rene88 said:

LOL-that's funny. Like he has any competition otherwise. Yeah man, Tyler Wilson is breathing down his neck:)

In one post you make a statement of giving up on the Jake Arrieta's and then you give up on a Tyler Wilson.  Which way do you flow on young pitchers??? 

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1 hour ago, thezeroes said:

In one post you make a statement of giving up on the Jake Arrieta's and then you give up on a Tyler Wilson.  Which way do you flow on young pitchers??? 

So all young pitchers are the same? Tyler throws electric stuff in the mid to upper-nineties? Had no idea, thanks.

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10 hours ago, Rene88 said:

Is this a serious question?:)

If the Orioles go with what they have right now. ...write this down...they will be competing with Tampa for last place.

DD has assembled an awe-inspiring list of overpaid and inept starters on the backend. If Gausman or Tillman goes down, Tampa beats us.

So yeah, I guess we do need to address the staff, but will they? DD never surprises me. He thinks he can hit his way out of everything I guess.

I disagree with your assessment.   Were we competing for last place last year with the same staff?     I think it's reasonable to expect growth from Bundy and for one of Ubaldo/Gallardo/Miley to bounce back.    Once we got Wright and Wilson out of the rotation, the starters did pretty well in the second half.    

To me, it's all about how we reconstruct RF/DH, now that we know what's happening at C.

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