Fred Ferreira

[scOtt]

10 hours ago, RZNJ said:

Not bad with two hands tied behind his back.  A bounce back by Jomar Reyes would look good on his resume.

It's just a flesh wound!

[Hallas]

3 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Maduro has scouted and signed among others:

Schoop
Eduardo Rodriguez
Peralta
Peluffo
Jomar Reyes
Ariel Miranda (the only Cuban who has done anything at the major league level that the Orioles have signed and got them a major league starter)

I wonder how long they will be able to keep him since the Orioles have a tendency to skip their hard working successful guys like Maduro and bring in outside "Harvard" guys or Duquette's buddies for executive or senior scouting positions regardless of resumes.

 I believe he also signed RHP Gillian Wernet who could be 2017 version of Peluffo. 

 

Reading between the lines it sounds like you have a problem with how Duquette manages some of the behind the scenes stuff.  Accurate?

[weams]

7 hours ago, Frobby said:

It's not true that it takes five years to get on the radar.    I also don't necessarily agree that you couldnt be successful without paying large bonuses.   There are a lot of highly rated Latino prospects who didn't earn large bonuses.   From BP's top 100 list:

7. Victor Robles $225 k

30. Reynaldo Lopez $17 k

31. Ronald Acuna $100 k

34.  Francisco Mejia $350 k

35.   Ozhaino Albies $350 k

40.   Sandy Alcantara $125 k

42.   Raimel Tapia $175 k

43.  Jorge Mateo $250 k

82.   Albert Abreu $185 k

86.  Frankie Montas $75 k

91.  Adonis Medina $70 k

95.  Anderson Tejeda $335 k

Now, don't get me wrong.   There are another 15 or so top 100 prospects who earned $800 k and up.     Fred certainly has been operating with one hand behind his back.    But there have been plenty of gems under the high bonus radar, too.    

Good research. And I defer. I do think it takes five years for the 16 year olds. 

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, weams said:

Good research. And I defer. I do think it takes five years for the 16 year olds. 

It depends on what you think takes five years.    To get to the majors?    Probably.    To be recognized as one of an organization's top prospects?   Not that long for most of them.  

[Tony-OH]

7 hours ago, Hallas said:

Reading between the lines it sounds like you have a problem with how Duquette manages some of the behind the scenes stuff.  Accurate?

Let's just say I respect the results that Duquette has brought to this organization, but the communication throughout the organization and some of the hirings at the front office level leave me scratching my head sometimes.

 

[Tony-OH]

11 hours ago, Frobby said:

Fred certainly has been operating with one hand behind his back.    But there have been plenty of gems under the high bonus radar, too.    

From what I understand,  Ferreira has very little to do with anything the Orioles do in International scouting now. As with a lot of guys on payroll, few people in the organization really know what they do anymore. Roles are sometimes in "development" or "transition" and sometimes only Duquette knows what they do. At least I assume he knows what they do. 

I have tried, but I have zero communication with Duquette. He keeps things close hold which is certainly his prerogative, but it reminds me how Sid Thrift operated. Unfortunately, I'm fairly certain Sid was in the early stages of dementia while in control so his secrecy created huge vacuums within the organization. 

[WEAVERMAN]

14 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Maduro has scouted and signed among others:

Schoop
Eduardo Rodriguez
Peralta
Peluffo
Jomar Reyes
Ariel Miranda (the only Cuban who has done anything at the major league level that the Orioles have signed and got them a major league starter)

I wonder how long they will be able to keep him since the Orioles have a tendency to skip their hard working successful guys like Maduro and bring in outside "Harvard" guys or Duquette's buddies for executive or senior scouting positions regardless of resumes.

 I believe he also signed RHP Gillian Wernet who could be 2017 version of Peluffo. 

That's an quite an indictment of Duquette and it's a real, real shame he operates that way.  The Orioles deserve better.

14 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

 

 

[WEAVERMAN]

3 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

From what I understand,  Ferreira has very little to do with anything the Orioles do in International scouting now. As with a lot of guys on payroll, few people in the organization really know what they do anymore. Roles are sometimes in "development" or "transition" and sometimes only Duquette knows what they do. At least I assume he knows what they do. 

I have tried, but I have zero communication with Duquette. He keeps things close hold which is certainly his prerogative, but it reminds me how Sid Thrift operated. Unfortunately, I'm fairly certain Sid was in the early stages of dementia while in control so his secrecy created huge vacuums within the organization. 

He doesn't return your phone calls, I am guessing?  That's the DD way.  Another shame.

[Tony-OH]

Just now, WEAVERMAN said:

He doesn't return your phone calls, I am guessing?  That the DD way.  Another shame.

My lack of communication with him is not the point or issue honestly.

[Can_of_corn]

 

[Frobby]

Roch reports that Ferreira won’t be back in 2018.   http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/10/orioles-extend-offers-to-entire-coaching-staff.html

[soxhotcorner14]

On 3/9/2017 at 10:18 AM, Tony-OH said:

Let's just say I respect the results that Duquette has brought to this organization, but the communication throughout the organization and some of the hirings at the front office level leave me scratching my head sometimes.

 

I believe I was on here years ago stating how Duquette did the same thing in the Red Sox organization.  The entire organization was confused, lack of communication, pissed off personnel, good people leaving.

When I was there, we had a coaching staff/dev guys that consisted of the following: Ken Macha, Bob Geren, DeMarlo Hale, Rick Peterson to name a few... He ran all of these guys off during his time there.  The environment was like office politics where everyone is looking over their shoulders.

[spiritof66]

On 3/8/2017 at 11:36 PM, Tony-OH said:

Maduro has scouted and signed among others:

Schoop
Eduardo Rodriguez
Peralta
Peluffo
Jomar Reyes
Ariel Miranda (the only Cuban who has done anything at the major league level that the Orioles have signed and got them a major league starter)

I wonder how long they will be able to keep him since the Orioles have a tendency to skip their hard working successful guys like Maduro and bring in outside "Harvard" guys or Duquette's buddies for executive or senior scouting positions regardless of resumes.

 I believe he also signed RHP Gillian Wernet who could be 2017 version of Peluffo. 

 

The bolded sentence is not a development I'm aware of under Duquette -- though maybe I was at some point and have just forgotten it. I'd like to know more about it. Do you know of some specific examples? Is there someplace I could read about it hiring decisions that show this pattern? 

Thanks. 

[Frobby]

5 hours ago, spiritof66 said:

The bolded sentence is not a development I'm aware of under Duquette -- though maybe I was at some point and have just forgotten it. I'd like to know more about it. Do you know of some specific examples? Is there someplace I could read about it hiring decisions that show this pattern? 

Thanks. 

As to the crony part:

Ferreira

Pointevint

Thomas

Kapstein

I can’t evaluate whether they are/were good at their jobs, but they’re definitely old school buddies of Duquette.

 

[sportsfan8703]

Give that man some money to spend.  We will never be able to evaluate him without that. Although; the fact that we even have any Latin player in our top prospect list means he's done pretty darn good.