Duquette Future

[bpilktree]

2 hours ago, birdwatcher55 said:

This is old news. It is my understanding Bundy throws a cutter.

Bridwell threw a cutter last year as well.  He throws one this year and it is his worst pitch by the numbers so him having one is not really helping him.

[bpilktree]

I can't seem to figure out why not once has anyone give him any credit for the players he has drafted since coming here.  We have probably a middle of the pack system right now and that is with an owner that will not let you spend anything internationally.  He has lost some with having to fill holes in the rotation but that was more because guys we thought we could count on never made the jump to be better like Matusz, Arrieta, and a few others.  He still has drafted great with the choices he has made yet no credit what so ever with the picks of Hays, Mountcastle, and a few others.

[Can_of_corn]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

or Buck

I think that would be officially ushering in a new dark era for the team.

[Tx Oriole]

3 hours ago, eddie83 said:

In your eyes 2014 Bud Norris never happened. Andrew Miller 2014 never happened. Brault is in the big leagues instead of AAA and Hader is a starter instead of relief pitcher. 

Arrieta was great here, he just never had a chance. Miranda would have only let up 29 HR's so far in Baltimore.  

What you mean Jake never had a chance? I thought he had many chances in Baltimore. 

 

[Tryptamine]

6 hours ago, tntoriole said:

We talked in another thread about this some time back.  My favorite would be Kim Ng currently in the Commissioner's office but previous assistant GM in Dodgers organization.   Matt Arnold, assistant GM with Brewers but Rays player personnel from 2006-2015 would be excellent as would Michael Girsch assistant GM in St. Louis who has a strong analytics and development background ,   Kyle Stark assistant GM with the Pirates who has a strong player development background or Jason McLeodd assistant GM with Epstein and Hoyer in Chicago. 

I  can 't speak for the others but I can pretty much guarantee you McLeod wouldn't join the Orioles. He's already had chances to join other teams and turned them down. Those opportunities  also didn't involve dealing with a hands on owner that wont let him spend internationally. As a new GM  you basically get one chance; no top notch Asst GM is going to use their one and only shot on a team they can't even run their own way.

[NCRaven]

13 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:

What you mean Jake never had a chance? I thought he had many chances in Baltimore. 

 

I think he's using satire.  Meaning that he thinks Cumberbundy isn't giving Duquette credit for good moves and is overstating the value of players traded away.

It think the truth, as usual, falls somewhere in between.

[Il BuonO]

6 hours ago, eddie83 said:

I agree with you. It will be Buck or Brady. I think Buck is the key piece moving forward. Is he just going to retire from baseball after next year? He keeps saying Baltimore is his last stop.

Before Dan was hired there was talk of him going upstairs. If Buck wants to become a GM is another organization going to get him that chance? By all accounts he gets along great with Angelos. 

If that's so, then his expiring contract as manager doesn't preclude him from becoming next in line. He already knows the limitations and expectations of PA. 

[Il BuonO]

3 hours ago, birdwatcher55 said:

This is old news. It is my understanding Bundy throws a cutter.

It's more a slider than a cutter. Bundy himself refers to it as a slider. 

[Cumberbundy]

4 hours ago, birdwatcher55 said:

This is old news. It is my understanding Bundy throws a cutter.

It's relevant, time doesn't make it less so, unless you're desperate to defend the indefensible. Your understanding is the we've lost a lot of talent for nothing & Duq gave a cy young award winner away because he mistook his lack of knowledge for actual knowledge. It's my understanding that Harvey & Bundy were injured despite Duqs brilliance. It's my understanding that Bridwell is having a nice year now that he's away from Duqs ignorance. That's history, history of incompetence & the reason we're on the outside looking in. Duq has created more wins for the Cubs & Brewers than he has for us. He's a disaster. History, years of trying to find a single decent starter & a failure to get one. The worst GM in the game. 

[MDtransplant757]

7 hours ago, wildcard said:

I think Dan and Buck are extended this off season.

Manny is signed to a 10 year contract with a 5 year opt out.

Castro becomes a starter, Britton is traded for a starter.  Hayes replaces Smith in the outfield.

I agree with everything but Britton. 

[Cumberbundy]

4 hours ago, eddie83 said:

In your eyes 2014 Bud Norris never happened. Andrew Miller 2014 never happened. Brault is in the big leagues instead of AAA and Hader is a starter instead of relief pitcher. 

Arrieta was great here, he just never had a chance. Miranda would have only let up 29 HR's so far in Baltimore.  

In my eyes, 30 innings of Miller in a strong pen was never worth 1500 innings of EdRod. In my eyes, it happened and it was awful. It was absolutely atrocious. We had a pen, we weren't that good, we needed to save our assets. It happened and we continue to pay for it. 

Arrieta was given up, with Strop, for nothing. He never had a chance to pitch how he wanted to, why? Duq. Theo laughs about the deal today and articles a written each year detailing how humiliating that deal was. I love sarcasm from people who neglect reality. Let's not note the fact that Duq put the restrictions on him, let's just make apologies for one of the worst trades in the last decade because? I'm glad you like Duq, you have the right to be wrong, and you've displayed it with enthusiasm.

You are the king of the strawman. You suggest that no one mentions Duqs limitations despite them being mentioned daily. You just made up a load of nonsense about what's in my eyes despite the act that I never said Hader was a starter....but he did strike out 7 of 10 Yankees he faced in Ny. How old is he? You seem to think he's expensive & failing, he's neither.

In reality, we have given up cheap cost controlled players who are better at baseball than their expensive replacements. 

Bridwell is better than Hellickson, Ubaldo, Tillman & Miley. Why isn't he here, because our GM is awful at his job. It's because of Angelos. In your eyes cheap talented players are not as valuable to a franchise as expensive lesser players. We can agree to disagree.

In my eyes, we'd be better today and for the next decade if Dan hadn't moved any of them. To my knowledge, that's the job. 

Cheers.

[MDtransplant757]

46 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

I think he's using satire.  Meaning that he thinks Cumberbundy isn't giving Duquette credit for good moves and is overstating the value of players traded away.

It think the truth, as usual, falls somewhere in between.

I think everyone overreacts on the guys he's sent away. Davies, as the numbers prove, is nothing special. Miranda has come back to earth, and is meh at best. Hader is a good BP arm, but everyone here hyped him up as the next Jim Palmer because of "muh velocity". Arietta was never going to be successful here IMO. Birdwell came out of nowhere. I'd give a year until we can label this a failure by the O's farm system. Miguel Gonzalez isn't horrible, but after a good year last year, he's not as good as he once was. People are already complaining about the Beckham trade because Myers is doing well for Tampa. I think that's silly because 1. Myers could get hurt. 2. Everyone here would complain about overpaying for a SS in FA, and this year's class is BAD. 

[Cumberbundy]

57 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

I think he's using satire.  Meaning that he thinks Cumberbundy isn't giving Duquette credit for good moves and is overstating the value of players traded away.

It think the truth, as usual, falls somewhere in between.

I have praised the Castro move as much as anyone. I voted in favor of the Beck trade despite hating the fact that we are giving away young pitching talent that's so incredibly hard to find.

Duq created the environment in which Jake failed & the fix came almost immediately after he got away from Duq. To suggest that is meaningless is utterly irrational.

 

[Cumberbundy]

Duq has the hardest job of any GM - I've said it several times, I do not envy the job he's tasked with as his counterparts are given access to so much more talent & in some cases far less meddling. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Cumberbundy said:

Duq has the hardest job of any GM - I've said it several times, I do not envy the job he's tasked with as his counterparts are given access to so much more talent & in some cases far less meddling. 

Miami, Tampa, Toronto, in that order, could give the O's job a run for its money.