Orioles Will Face Tough Decision On Adam Jones After 2018 Season

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4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Carter - released

Pedro only played a month in the majors last year.

Neither of good comparisons to Trumbo.

How does Carter getting released in 2017 not make end of 2016 Carter a good comp for Trumbo?

Maybe if Trumbo had signed a 1/3 deal the signing team would have cut him?

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6 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Carter - released

Pedro only played a month in the majors last year.

Neither of good comparisons to Trumbo.

Trumbo didn’t deserve to play in the majors.  His contract kept him there.  Both are fine comparisons. 

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3 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

The same Chris Carter that everybody wanted the Orioles to sign?

It isn't that folks wanted Carter so much as they would have preferred Carter at 1/3 than Trumbo at 3/37.5.

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2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Free agents, trades, international signings or converting Brach and Castro to starters while acquiring FA relievers.  Dan has to find a way to get starting pitching.  The alternative is not pretty.

forget international signings, wont happen with this team.

[wildcard]

12 minutes ago, ArtVanDelay said:

Trumbo didn’t deserve to play in the majors.  His contract kept him there.  Both are fine comparisons. 

With that kind of logic  its obvious there is no discussing the subject with you.

[wildcard]

13 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

forget international signings, wont happen with this team.

Dan signed Chen and found Gonzo in the Mexican League.

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Just now, wildcard said:

Dan signed Chen and found Gonzo in the Mexican League.

Ok, so, wont happen was a bit strong, however, the Orioles are not real big players in the international market.

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2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

With that kind of logic  its obvious there is no discussing the subject with you.

Do you think that by September of last year Trumbo deserved to be on a ML team?  He was only a tick better than Carter who had been released.  He was well below replacement level.

If he had that season in 2016, when he was on a one year deal and the O's were fighting for a playoff spot, would you have kept him on the roster?

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1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Ok, so, wont happen was a bit strong, however, the Orioles are not real big players in the international market.

When I think of the "international Market" I think of those players who are paid out of the International slots.  Not full blown free agents with no restrictions.

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

When I think of the "international Market" I think of those players who are paid out of the International slots.  Not full blown free agents with no restrictions.

If you think in those terms, then the Orioles really dont play in that market.

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1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

If you think in those terms, then the Orioles really dont play in that market.

I agree.

[wildcard]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Do you think that by September of last year Trumbo deserved to be on a ML team?  He was only a tick better than Carter who had been released.  He was well below replacement level.

If he had that season in 2016, when he was on a one year deal and the O's were fighting for a playoff spot, would you have kept him on the roster?

Did the O's have someone better?

[wildcard]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

When I think of the "international Market" I think of those players who are paid out of the International slots.  Not full blown free agents with no restrictions.

Widen your thinking.  That is what Dan is going to have to do this off season.

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

Did the O's have someone better?

Better than -.6 rWAR?

I'm sure they did.

Joe "Warmbody" Smith.

Mancini for instance.

Anyway, I was asking if you would have kept Trumbo on the roster.

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

Widen your thinking.  That is what Dan is going to have to do this off season.

I think of Gonzo and Chen as just being free agent acquisitions.  Same with Koji.  I don't care what league they played in last year.

I don't think signing someone that has been in the KBO for a decade as an "International signing" it's a free agent signing.