Boswell thinks Harper and others will not get $400 million dollar contracts

[atomic]

3 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

FTFY....It’s ok. 

Some people aren't logical.  And that is OK.  Just being so proud of it is what is so sad. 

[Il BuonO]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

Some people aren't logical.  And that is OK.  Just being so proud of it is what is so sad. 

 I’m glad you can admit to that. Pride is a killer. 

[theocean]

7 hours ago, weams said:

How are fans priced out of Camden Yards? What economic impact did keeping an MLB baseball team in Baltimore have for the city? 

I'm not talking about Camden Yards - I said in another post that probably got buried in the thread that the Orioles do a good job at making sure games are affordable.

Other teams, not so much. Like the Ravens.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, theocean said:

I'm not talking about Camden Yards - I said in another post that probably got buried in the thread that the Orioles do a good job at making sure games are affordable.

Other teams, not so much. Like the Ravens.

MLB is significantly cheaper on a per game basis than the NFL, NHL and NBA.

[Babypowder]

4 hours ago, atomic said:

Moronic argument.  It is like saying we should have brought back Freddie Garcia and made him our DH as he would have been cheaper than Trumbo. 

Having the gift of hindsight, yes. I would go back to last offseason and sign Brandon Fahey to be the full time DH over Mark Trumbo at his cost.

[weams]

9 hours ago, theocean said:

I'm not talking about Camden Yards - I said in another post that probably got buried in the thread that the Orioles do a good job at making sure games are affordable.

Other teams, not so much. Like the Ravens.

Football is not a family sport. Unfortunately. 

[DrungoHazewood]

12 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

MLB is significantly cheaper on a per game basis than the NFL, NHL and NBA.

Even when DC United still played at decrepit RFK you couldn't get in the door for less than ~$30 a head.  Parking was something like $20.  But you could get some good pupusas from the nice El Salvadorian ladies for $6.

But now that they're moving to Audi Field I imagine you'll be lucky to get in the gate for $50 plus parking.  It'll be a shame if the pupusa stand is gone.  Or replaced by an artisanal free range pupusa stand for $17.

[DrungoHazewood]

17 hours ago, atomic said:

  Other people don't want to bring in food in or sit in the upper deck and want to have a beer or two.   400 dollars seems realistic for average family of 4 who goes a couple times a year.   The more you go probably the less you spend per game. 

If you think that current Oriole prices are too high to attend a game you're probably looking to minimize costs. That's why we've been discussing how you can actually go to a game for $20.

$400 for a family of four is only realistic if you're treating it like a vacation or you have a lot of money to throw around.  Face value of tickets 15 rows behind the plate are something like $55 or $60.  You're going to spend almost $50 a person on top of that, at a four hour baseball game?  I know I'm not doing that.

[bobmc]

20 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Even when DC United still played at decrepit RFK you couldn't get in the door for less than ~$30 a head.  Parking was something like $20.  But you could get some good pupusas from the nice El Salvadorian ladies for $6.

But now that they're moving to Audi Field I imagine you'll be lucky to get in the gate for $50 plus parking.  It'll be a shame if the pupusa stand is gone.  Or replaced by an artisanal free range, gluten-free pupusa stand for $17.

FTFY - keep bringing it!

[DrungoHazewood]

Just now, bobmc said:

FTFY - keep bringing it!

One of my goals in life is to maximize my gluten intake.  Crusty, chewy bread now.  Bread in the future!  Bread forever!!!!

[beervendor]

On 3/18/2018 at 1:15 PM, DrungoHazewood said:

There's than fan cost index some publication runs (or ran) that tracked ballpark expenses.  I think they assumed each customer would buy a mid-range ticket, a hot dog, a beer, a hat, a pennant, a thing of ice cream, a program, pay for parking... they'd end up with a family of four spending $400 to go to a single game.  It's absolutely ludicrous.  I don't think my family of four has spent $400 on the last three games we went to combined.

These sorts of surveys are meant to compare prices across ballparks, not to represent what a family might routinely spend. A budget minded parent can easily enjoy a night at the Yard without breaking the bank. Even easier now with the free kids' (9 & under IIRC) tickets promo! Anyone might fairly believe Port Discovery, the zoo, or Dutch Wonderland a better value, just not me.

[atomic]

4 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

If you think that current Oriole prices are too high to attend a game you're probably looking to minimize costs. That's why we've been discussing how you can actually go to a game for $20.

$400 for a family of four is only realistic if you're treating it like a vacation or you have a lot of money to throw around.  Face value of tickets 15 rows behind the plate are something like $55 or $60.  You're going to spend almost $50 a person on top of that, at a four hour baseball game?  I know I'm not doing that.

For family of 4 behind home plate with 60 dollar tickets comes to 275 dollars with convenience fee.  I would pay 20 bucks to park.  So I am at 295 just getting in the door.  Say conservatively 15 bucks per person for food.  60 bucks.  4 beers 40 bucks.  There you go 400 dollars without even getting a souvenir.  

I say the prices are comparatively too high for an enjoyable experience.  I don't eat hot dogs.  Part of the enjoyment for me is going to Boog's Barbecue and having a few beers.  Really if I skip all the enjoyable parts of going I could just stay home and watch it on TV and save even more.  

I mean we went to Disney World in the Fall and I would say that is probably higher cost.  As 100 bucks to get in per person per day.  Plus 20 bucks to park.  And maybe 20 dollars a day for food per person and they don't sell beer. But I would say Disney World is more enjoyable for family with small kids than Camden Yards Baseball game.  

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, atomic said:

For family of 4 behind home plate with 60 dollar tickets comes to 275 dollars with convenience fee.  I would pay 20 bucks to park.  So I am at 295 just getting in the door.  Say conservatively 15 bucks per person for food.  60 bucks.  4 beers 40 bucks.  There you go 400 dollars without even getting a souvenir.  

I say the prices are comparatively too high for an enjoyable experience.  I don't eat hot dogs.  Part of the enjoyment for me is going to Boog's Barbecue and having a few beers.  Really if I skip all the enjoyable parts of going I could just stay home and watch it on TV and save even more.  

I mean we went to Disney World in the Fall and I would say that is probably higher cost.  As 100 bucks to get in per person per day.  Plus 20 bucks to park.  And maybe 20 dollars a day for food per person and they don't sell beer. But I would say Disney World is more enjoyable for family with small kids than Camden Yards Baseball game.  

If you are looking to spend money at the ballpark you will certainly be able to.

Your expenditures are not the norm.

[Ruzious]

On 3/18/2018 at 11:45 AM, DrungoHazewood said:

There have been 11 players worth 25-30 wins through their age 24 season, including Machado and Harper.

Here's the rest of their careers:

                                                                                                  
Rk             Player WAR/pos   Age    G    PA    R    H  2B  3B  HR  RBI   BB   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS
1          Hank Aaron   113.0 25-42 2566 10768 1678 2857 465  59 615 1803 1172 .302 .376 .558 .935
2       Eddie Collins    95.9 25-43 2266  9734 1503 2648 352 141  37 1047 1310 .334 .431 .428 .859
3    Rickey Henderson    82.7 25-44 2432 10455 1822 2352 408  41 262  902 1756 .275 .401 .424 .826
4      Frank Robinson    76.5 25-40 2073  8587 1328 2125 383  45 421 1363 1099 .292 .392 .531 .924
5       Albert Pujols    70.1 25-37 1946  8460 1223 2181 430   7 454 1414  947 .296 .378 .541 .919
6          Cal Ripken    67.6 25-40 2333 10028 1216 2434 455  25 323 1304  886 .271 .337 .436 .773
7        Joe DiMaggio    51.8 25-36 1182  5128  870 1423 246  82 224  979  591 .316 .399 .556 .956
8        Sherry Magee    32.0 25-34 1257  5097  670 1279 259  87  61  746  481 .292 .371 .433 .804
9        Cesar Cedeno    23.6 25-35 1186  4642  576 1161 241  32  96  536  401 .280 .344 .423 .767

The median is Albert Pujols at 70 wins.  Multiply 70 by $8M per win and you get $560M.

The list is seven HOFers, Sherry Magee who is better than any number of HOFers, and Cesar Cedeno.  The top seven were HOFers just on their careers from age 25 on.  I think there's more of a risk that MLB's TV money bursts than it is that Machado/Harper are worth $300M+ by today's economics.

I was talking about 10/400 being more than I'd pay.  Take a look at Albert Pujols' measely 10/240 contract that has 4 seasons left on it.  He's a HOFer for sure.  Would you be happy to have his contract - as the payer, not the payee or agent?  

Btw, I'm surprised A-Rod's not on the list.  He was the phenom of phenoms as a young shortstop, imo.   

Can't say Sherry Magee's name even rings a bell.  Not surprised to see Cedeno there.  Some thought he was going to be the next Willie Mays.  And his teammate, J.R. Richard, was going to be a HOFer before health problems got him.  Unfortunate things happen.    

 

  

[Ruzious]

On 3/19/2018 at 10:35 AM, DrungoHazewood said:

One of my goals in life is to maximize my gluten intake.  Crusty, chewy bread now.  Bread in the future!  Bread forever!!!!

Cue the Debbie Downer music.  As a person who has Celiac Disease, I envy you - though the gluten alternatives are improving.