Cobb to Orioles (Confirmed by Roch Kubatko)

[MDtransplant757]

Just now, Redskins Rick said:

I dont want to lose Manny, anymore than I wanted to see Mussina leave.

Dad was legitimately upset when he left. Still is. 

[Hank Scorpio]

8 minutes ago, Yardball85 said:

Dilly Dilly!

I think it's pretty obvious he had already taken it as of last night.

Right?

[Yardball85]

1 minute ago, Hank Scorpio said:

I think it's pretty obvious he had already taken it as of last night.

Right?

I think he took it this morning.  Everyone last night was saying it was pending a physical but that they didn't anticipate any problems.

Roch at 4:15 this morning: 

SARASOTA, Fla. - The Orioles’ deal with pitcher Alex Cobb should be made official later today after he passes his physical.

The club has zero concerns about the physical, so let’s not break out the tired observation that everyone fails it. And if we are going down that road, tell me again how they were wrong about Grant Balfour.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Dad was legitimately upset when he left. Still is. 

I still am, but, I blame Peter, where some say Mussina was an arse and it was all on him.

I suspect he might be an ass and the truth is probably that both parties are to be blamed.

[Hank Scorpio]

1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

I dont want to lose Manny, anymore than I wanted to see Mussina leave.

It's a different landscape now than it was in the Mussina era.

My opinion is that there will be a very large chasm between the Orioles offer (should they make one) and whatever offer he ends up accepting. I'm talking a $100MM difference.

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, Hank Scorpio said:

It's a different landscape now than it was in the Mussina era.

My opinion is that there will be a very large chasm between the Orioles offer (should they make one) and whatever offer he ends up accepting. I'm talking a $100MM difference.

Good point, and if they make one an offer to Manny.

 

[Il BuonO]

3 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

I still am, but, I blame Peter, where some say Mussina was an arse and it was all on him.

I suspect he might be an ass and the truth is probably that both parties are to be blamed.

I’m sure Angelos can keep up in the ‘arse’ department.

[Hank Scorpio]

Just now, Redskins Rick said:

Good point, and if they make one an offer to Manny.

 

Really, I'm just bitter because I think that there was likely a time where they could have offered Manny a long term deal he was likely to have accepted. 2015-ish.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Il BuonO said:

I’m sure Angelos can keep up in the ‘arse’ department.

Which puzzles me, why so much hate on Mussina for accepting more money elsewhere? When clearly Angelos isn't innocent.

[Il BuonO]

1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Which puzzles me, why so much hate on Mussina for accepting more money elsewhere? When clearly Angelos isn't innocent.

Nope, never was. Dragged out things then like he has here signing off on people’s contracts. With Mussina he relied on the “I’ll match any offer strategy” and never made Mussina a meaningful offer until it was too late.

[Il BuonO]

5 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Which puzzles me, why so much hate on Mussina for accepting more money elsewhere? When clearly Angelos isn't innocent.

Also, remember Mussina had taken a team friendly deal just a few years earlier for which he was criticized by other players. 

[weams]

5 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Which puzzles me, why so much hate on Mussina for accepting more money elsewhere? When clearly Angelos isn't innocent.

He had told the Orioles that he would give the club shot to match his top offer and when the Yankees played hardball and said "tell us right now," he did not. 

[Il BuonO]

Just now, weams said:

He had told the Orioles that he would give the club shot to match his top offer and when the Yankees played hardball and said "tell us right now," he did not. 

You’re right, but he also was miffed that Angelos never made an offer instead of waiting.

[weams]

And I should not have corrected myself based on this either. It is pick 52.

[DrungoHazewood]

13 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

So, then don’t spend the money because the difference is negligible. Why I said I’d prefer Lynn at one year. Then, they wouldn’t have the money tied up for three years while the team is likely in a rebuild. Or, not using the “r” word, playing a bunch of kids as yet unproven at the ML level.

The other side of that is they made this commitment in a buyer's market.  4/60 for a fairly decent established starter isn't a lot of money.  If you want to be charitable and pretend his 2016 season didn't happen you could argue that his established level is as a 3-win pitcher.  In other recent offseasons three win pitchers have gotten more than 4/60.  My simple contract tool spits out 4/76 (although it's more like 4/40 if you use 2016 in establishing his performance level).

My concern is that his post-surgery performance is going to be more like his FIP last year - 4.16 in the NL.  2017 FIPs for the O's current rotation are 4.16, 4.48, 4.38, 6.93, and 4.61.  And this isn't a team full of defensive wizards helping the pitching staff beat their FIPs.