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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

By who.   The expects that rank minor leaguers completely missed on Mancini.   And they admit it now.

No, they did not. The drafted him in a pay slot. Out of college. And he has overperformed as a DH/1B because he has played Left field at the MLB level. He his well. He has no real ceiling beyond where he is. Which is why you draft guys in the top rounds. To hope they contribute. 

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4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

By who.   The expects that rank minor leaguers completely missed on Mancini.   And they admit it now.

Well, name it.

Scouts, front office execs, scouty publications.

I give most of my weight to the guys I know and try scouty media as a general perspective. That said, there is a lot of value in that scouty media. That is a quantitative given. They do a decent job. If your test is a miss, then you have an overly sensitive test.

Again though, dont rely on scouty media. Get out there and talk to actual people working in the industry.

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19 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I really negative perspective on your part.   

Harvey in a first rounder who is now healthy and doing well at AAA.  He has the pitches to be a top of the rotation starter.  He could be in the majors later this year.

 

 

He's at Bowie.

While I am not discouraged by his performance at AA I don't see anything screaming promote this guy to the majors.  Let him get a full season under him.  See how things shake out next spring.

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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He's at Bowie.

While I am not discouraged by his performance at AA I don't see anything screaming promote this guy to the majors.  Let him get a full season under him.  See how things shake out next spring.

I bet he is in the majors before the season is over.

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30 minutes ago, wildcard said:

By who.   The expects that rank minor leaguers completely missed on Mancini.   And they admit it now.

I think your assessment is a little rosy.    I don’t spend a lot of time (zero, actually) studying other teams’ farm systems, but the people who do are not that thrilled with where we stand comparatively.    Most of the pitching talent is three years away and a lot of bumps in the road can come along the way.   There’s nothing on the horizon for the infield, where we have glaring needs.    The OF candidates are pretty strong but I’m really disappointed that Hays has taken a huge step backwards so far.

As to the pundits missing on Mancini, we’ll see how badly they missed.   Right now he has a .763 OPS and his defense has been bad enough that he’s been worth -0.3 rWAR so far.    He had a .765 OPS in the second half of last year.   If that’s what he is, that’s nothing to write home about.   For the record, I think he’s a better hitter than he’s shown so far this year, but I don’t think he’s the stud some around here seem to believe he is, either.   

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21 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He's at Bowie.

While I am not discouraged by his performance at AA I don't see anything screaming promote this guy to the majors.  Let him get a full season under him.  See how things shake out next spring.

Yeah at this point, he is a two pitch pitcher at the MLB level. He couldbe a decent reliever now. He can be a lot more than that, but the uncertainty surrounding him is quite a bit. 

Regarding an earlier comment by someone else, I am unsure why anyone would more where he was drafted. He is a real live boy. No need to note where people noted his ceiling years ago.

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23 minutes ago, weams said:

Catching is not five deep. At all. Not three deep. 

Sisco in the a starting catcher in training as a rookie should be.   Joseph is a good mentor.   He can hit.  Pitchers say he calls a good game.   If pitchers are faster to the plate for him .... well they should be.

Joseph calls a good game and is a leader on the field.  I don't know how long he stays at the major league level with the catcher behind him.   He is a good mentor.  He has 3 options.  Doesn't hit that well or consistently which may cost him next year.

Susac  is a former 2nd rounder  who has had injury problems.  Still does which is why the O's need depth behind  him.   He is hitting well at Norfolk which is no easy task.   He is good defensively and  would make a good backup catcher.

Wynns may be the best defensive catcher of the bunch.  Great arm.  He hits well for OBP.  Pitchers love to throw to him.  He would be a very good backup catcher in the majors. He has two options left after this year.

Audry Perez is an experienced catcher with good defensive skills.  29 years old he has been passed over because of his age.  He is hitting well this year and has for the last two years.  He would be a good backup catcher for a major league team right now.

That is 5 catchers who probably all belong in the majors today.

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7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think your assessment is a little rosy.    I don’t spend a lot of time (zero, actually) studying other teams’ farm systems, but the people who do are not that thrilled with where we stand comparatively.    Most of the pitching talent is three years away and a lot of bumps in the road can come along the way.   There’s nothing on the horizon for the infield, where we have glaring needs.    The OF candidates are pretty strong but I’m really disappointed that Hays has taken a huge step backwards so far.

As to the pundits missing on Mancini, we’ll see how badly they missed.   Right now he has a .763 OPS and his defense has been bad enough that he’s been worth -0.3 rWAR so far.    He had a .765 OPS in the second half of last year.   If that’s what he is, that’s nothing to write home about.   For the record, I think he’s a better hitter than he’s shown so far this year, but I don’t think he’s the stud some around here seem to believe he is, either.   

I agree. I am thrilled he is a major leaguer. 

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Sisco in the a starting catcher in training as a rookie should be.   Joseph is a good mentor.   He can hit.  Pitchers say he calls a good game.   If pitchers are faster to the plate for him .... well they should be.

Joseph calls a good game and is a leader on the field.  I don't know how long he stays at the major league level with the catcher behind him.   He is a good mentor.  He has 3 options.  Doesn't hit that well or consistently which may cost him next year.

Susac  is a former 2nd rounder  who has had injury problems.  Still does which is why the O's need depth behind  him.   He is hitting well at Norfolk which is no easy task.   He is good defensively and  would make a good backup catcher.

Wynns may be the best defensive catcher of the bunch.  Great arm.  He hits well for OBP.  Pitchers love to throw to him.  He would be a very good backup catcher in the majors. He has two options left after this year.

Audry Perez is an experienced catcher with good defensive skills.  29 years old he has been passed over because of his age.  He is hitting well this year and has for the last two years.  He would be a good backup catcher for a major league team right now.

That is 5 catchers who probably all belong in the majors today.

I think Sisco and Susac are MLB catchers. Maybe starters. 

The others only because of necessity. 

Tony likes Joseph and I respect that. So I'll say no more. 

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2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Sisco in the a starting catcher in training as a rookie should be.   Joseph is a good mentor.   He can hit.  Pitchers say he calls a good game.   If pitchers are faster to the plate for him .... well they should be.

Joseph calls a good game and is a leader on the field.  I don't know how long he stays at the major league level with the catcher behind him.   He is a good mentor.  He has 3 options.  Doesn't hit that well or consistently which may cost him next year.

Susac  is a former 2nd rounder  who has had injury problems.  Still does which is why the O's need depth behind  him.   He is hitting well at Norfolk which is no easy task.   He is good defensively and  would make a good backup catcher.

Wynns may be the best defensive catcher of the bunch.  Great arm.  He hits well for OBP.  Pitchers love to throw to him.  He would be a very good backup catcher in the majors. He has two options left after this year.

Audry Perez is an experienced catcher with good defensive skills.  29 years old he has been passed over because of his age.  He is hitting well this year and has for the last two years.  He would be a good backup catcher for a major league team right now.

That is 5 catchers who probably all belong in the majors today.

OK...based on this. Man, what team does not ride five deep?

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