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1 minute ago, Rene88 said:

What say you? Corn says lineups don’t matter so I say we bat Davis leadoff, Jace Paterson second and Susac 3rd. Joey Bats hits cleanup.

The Baysox would win a game. At least one. 

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1 hour ago, Rene88 said:

What say you? Corn says lineups don’t matter so I say we bat Davis leadoff, Jace Paterson second and Susac 3rd. Joey Bats hits cleanup.

Yes they will. But it doesn't matter anymore. I wish they'd trade some of the vets and bring up some young guys. 

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3 hours ago, LookitsPuck said:

Is this where we are as fans? Basically anything that is *most likely* Dan's responsibility...is no longer his responsibility because we want to blame some bugaboo? I fear that Tony's article, whereas informational, has turned things into simply black or white. I.e. anything prior to 2015 was all Duquette and anything after is "if it's a minor move, it's Duquette...anything more is somebody else". And that's sad.

Truth be told, Duquette has been infatuated with 1 dimensional players his entire tenure with the O's. The sheer volume of DH types that he picked up off the scrap heap and/or traded for is approaching a dozen. At least a few listed by @connja are in some way, shape or form a function of Dan Duquette. You *might* be able to make the case that Davis isn't, but certainly Alvarez AND Trumbo are 100% on Duquette. Mancini I don't think is fair...I think a competent front office would have traded Trumbo for Clevenger considering the log jam and racial epithets. But they also would have seen Trumbo's track record and the makeup of the roster and realized that a long term Trumbo contract would have been irresponsible. So 1 year? Fine. Anything more? No thank you.

I'd have loved a Trey Mancini as a DH and then not have any of Trumbo, Alvarez, Valencia, etc. Unless only 1 of them is a PH/platoon type at DH. But the problem is Duquette year in and year out seemingly has like 3-6 of them on the roster throughout the year. Which is a huge reason why this club sucks from a defensive standpoint. And that is NOT Buck's fault.

Forest meet trees. Sorry man. But it’s ok. Your not wrong. Your just missing the point. DD sucks. Ok your right that’s ALL that’s wrong. 

Two questions:

1). Why hasn’t he been held accountable?

2). When he leaves after the end of the year you think this team magically improves?

Remember, if there is a continuation of problems after DD is gone....please refer to first question. 

In in the meantime, we are just gonna agree to disagree.

But I’ll say again that DD and Buck are both highly intelligent and deeply experienced baseball men. And Brady Anderson loves the Orioles and their owner.  But the lack of cohesion and competence here is a function of ownership. Last year the Sox and Yanks both fired guys who arguably over achieved. The Orioles collapsed and have continued to crater into this season. The manager doesn’t hold the players accountable, the GM doesn’t hold the Manager accountable and the owner can’t even be bothered to approve a utility infielder. And you, you are concerned the GM is infatuated with DH/1b guys and can’t see that the GM was relieved of authority when he asked to go to Toronto. But rather than relieve him of duties he just isn’t allowing him to do his job. 

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I don’t think things mystically get better after Duquette is gone. It’s going to require the old man to kick the bucket and his sons to be competent or a complete change of ownership. Duquette should have been fired years ago. So certainly ownerships fault for not holding him accountable. 

My guess is Brady is GM in waiting and is training under Duquette. Only reason that semi makes sense why Duquette is still here.

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24 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

I don’t think things mystically get better after Duquette is gone. It’s going to require the old man to kick the bucket and his sons to be competent or a complete change of ownership. Duquette should have been fired years ago. So certainly ownerships fault for not holding him accountable. 

My guess is Brady is GM in waiting and is training under Duquette. Only reason that semi makes sense why Duquette is still here.

I want nothing to do with Brady as GM. He has been part of the problem. They need to clean house.

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1 hour ago, LookitsPuck said:

I don’t think things mystically get better after Duquette is gone. It’s going to require the old man to kick the bucket and his sons to be competent or a complete change of ownership. Duquette should have been fired years ago. So certainly ownerships fault for not holding him accountable. 

My guess is Brady is GM in waiting and is training under Duquette. Only reason that semi makes sense why Duquette is still here.

And how’s that working?

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