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@TonySopranoEh, he was demonstrably better as soon as he got to LA at SS.  I'm not sure if the lightbulb suddenly went off when he got there.

In regards to pitchers hitting their spots, that doesn't have to do with his ability to cover ground and get to balls better.  It might have to do with weaker contact and more chances, but who knows.

Whatever.  At the end of the day, the Orioles suck.

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1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

@TonySopranoEh, he was demonstrably better as soon as he got to LA at SS.  I'm not sure if the lightbulb suddenly went off when he got there.

In regards to pitchers hitting their spots, that doesn't have to do with his ability to cover ground and get to balls better.  It might have to do with weaker contact and more chances, but who knows.

Whatever.  At the end of the day, the Orioles suck.

LA is more forgiving than the fans in Baltimore. Hit the dingers. Boot a ball from time to time. 

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1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

I often regret being a fan of this team and investing so much time.

I am very happy to have been a Baltimore Orioles fan. I would have hated to have been a fake Yankee or Red Sox Fan. Or Cubs! Cubs are the worst!

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Just now, weams said:

I am very happy to have been a Baltimore Orioles fan. I would have hated to have been a fake Yankee or Red Sox Fan. Or Cubs! Cubs are the worst!

Well we agree there.  I don't want to be a fake fan of the Sox or Yanks.

I'm not jumping ship.  I just sometimes wonder if there's a better use of time when watching this franchise.

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12 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Well we agree there.  I don't want to be a fake fan of the Sox or Yanks.

I'm not jumping ship.  I just sometimes wonder if there's a better use of time when watching this franchise.

I'm taking the Band on the road myself. 

 

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On 10/8/2018 at 8:57 AM, eddie83 said:

I doubt Buck wanted any interference with how he wanted to run his club.

He made a lot of subtle digs at analytics. 

I just got done reading the Athletic article. 

Can we at least finally put to rest where the issue originated from. Buck wanted nothing to do with it.

I must admit I enjoy the back and forth bickering between Dan and Buck. Makes for some entertainment.  

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5 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:

It's actually very simple. You can give someone all the data they can handle. But when you have to make a decision in a split second that really won't make an impact. Like most sports you have to react quick. More info won't help with that.

The manager wanted nothing to do with the data. We have no idea here if it could have helped or not.

The Athletic article showed how 2 members of the analytics staff left after last season because ownership didn’t value analytics.  

The Orioles issue was ownerships lack of interest and a great but hard headed manager who wanted nothing to do with it.  

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The article quotes Buck as denying, after his departure from the Orioles, that he resisted the using information from the Orioles analytics people:

“To insinuate that we would shun any info we had access to that might help us win is almost comical .  .  . . “Painting us as anti-info or anti-analytics is completely off-base and a poor portrayal.”

Maybe Buck believes that. More likely, he's saying what he thinks he needs to say in order to be considered for another MLB job. In any event, it's pretty clear to me that it's not true. Here's what Buck had to say in 2016 about how he viewed metrics: “[Now we] use a lot of that stuff to verify what your gut is telling you. You don’t develop a gut [feeling] by stat. You have stat or an analytic verify what your eyes are telling you.” https://nypost.com/2016/03/15/how-orioles-shorts-fungo-bat-show-buck-showalters-progress/

That confirms what I think I saw, and read about it,  the last few years: Buck stubbornly went with the instincts and the "knowledge" he had developed over his long career. Where data and analytical inputs confirmed those things, he was pleased to have the input. Where they suggested doing something different -- like getting Adam Jones out of CF -- he resisted that input.

I don't find that at all comical.

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