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Chris Davis, Jon Schoop, and Trey Mancini. I'm sure that comes as no surprise, but just thought it was an interesting insight into part of the reason the O's were so awful last year. That's three of your top players playing significantly worse than you expect. Found this while searching what happened with Correa's down year last year (most likely caused by a nagging back injury). Despite Correa having the worst decline, he still put up 1.7 bWAR to Davis' -2.7. Which only puts into light JUST how bad Davis was because he was -0.1 in 2017 and tanked that much further to be #4 on this graph. Whew. 

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Curious to see how long this thread takes to delve into Elias picking Correa and the implications it has on the Orioles.  It's just so obvious it's gonna go that way.

Davis was an absolute poop load in 2018.  I was expecting him to be bad, not THAT bad.  I didn't expect as big of a fall off for Mancini and Schoop.  

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Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Curious to see how long this thread takes to delve into Elias picking Correa and the implications it has on the Orioles.  It's just so obvious it's gonna go that way.

Davis was an absolute poop load in 2018.  I was expecting him to be bad, not THAT bad.  I didn't expect as big of a fall off for Mancini and Schoop.  

I mean, I admit I searched Correa because he keeps coming up re: Elias and I wanted to know more. Then saw he had a down year and was curious. Pretty clear he's a fantastic overall player, though. He'll rebound once healthy.

I found it interesting that the Astros had him higher than others in the draft and surprised some people with the pick. Worked out nicely. 

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2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Curious to see how long this thread takes to delve into Elias picking Correa and the implications it has on the Orioles.  It's just so obvious it's gonna go that way.

Davis was an absolute poop load in 2018.  I was expecting him to be bad, not THAT bad.  I didn't expect as big of a fall off for Mancini and Schoop.  

Schoop was the big surprise for me. I expected him to normalize a bit, but not completely tank outside of a hot couple of weeks. Thank god for those hot couple of weeks though.

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1 hour ago, interloper said:

Schoop was the big surprise for me. I expected him to normalize a bit, but not completely tank outside of a hot couple of weeks. Thank god for those hot couple of weeks though.

It’s hard to say how the rest of the season would have gone for Schoop if he hadn’t been traded.   I think the trade was highly disruptive for him, and it’s not like the Brewers let him ride out a cold streak the way the O’s typically would.    I feel bad for how his season went after the trade, though at least he got to be part of a team that had a hot finish and a deep playoff run.  

I think Davis’ drop was fairly amazing when you consider the low point he was starting from.   

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7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It’s hard to say how the rest of the season would have gone for Schoop if he hadn’t been traded.   I think the trade was highly disruptive for him, and it’s not like the Brewers let him ride out a cold streak the way the O’s typically would.    I feel bad for how his season went after the trade, though at least he got to be part of a team that had a hot finish and a deep playoff run.  

I think Davis’ drop was fairly amazing when you consider the low point he was starting from.   

I'd be curious to hear Schoop's take on what went wrong the rest of the season and what his mindset was.  One would think that leaving such a bad situation and going into the thick of the playoff chase again would really have someone firing on all cylinders.  Manny sure looked like someone ready to be in the thick of things, but Schoop from the start never seemed to grasp that he had been traded.  We heard Roy's thoughts and his relaying of Schoop's comments, but not much else.  Even if management hadn't made plans clear, he had to know he would potentially be on the trade block given the teams standing and his pending free agency next year.  He didn't really show any signs that losing his buddy Manny impacted him, he arguably had his best stretch of the season in the 9 games he played for the O's after the Manny trade: 7 homers, 15 RBI's, 1.209 OPS.  But, right from the start he just looked like a guy who was lost, the Brewers sure seemed to play him like that was the case, and it just never recovered.

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Not sure what it all means, considering Houston had three of the "top" eight, and four of the twenty. There are some good players on that list. It happens--especially after abnormally good seasons.

Side note: It always seems strange to refer to bad performances as "top" or "leading," as in, "Ryne Duren led the league in walks allowed, wild pitches, and batters hit by pitch for the third straight year..."

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2 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Curious to see how long this thread takes to delve into Elias picking Correa and the implications it has on the Orioles.  It's just so obvious it's gonna go that way.

Davis was an absolute poop load in 2018.  I was expecting him to be bad, not THAT bad.  I didn't expect as big of a fall off for Mancini and Schoop.  

I think Mancini bounces back.  Not sure about Schoop.  Davis is done.

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