Elias will be active in the free agent market this off season

[wildbillhiccup]

7 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

I am pretty sure you are more right than I am.

With that said, his performance for the Brewers was pretty shabby.

I think most teams will write it off. Small sample size and they mostly played him out of position. I still don't understand why the Brewers traded for Schoop AND Moustakas when they already had Shaw. I get the idea of trying to add some punch to your offensive, but not when you have to shift nearly your entire infield around to accommodate the bats. It made no sense. 

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

I agree.    A year ago, people were suggesting contracts like 5/$80 mm or 6/$90 mm for Schoop.    He’s not having his annual value cut by 75% because he had one down year.    

5 for 80 or 6 for 90 was more realistic if he was pulling down a 5.4 WAR.

I am a big Schoop fan, but even to me it looked like a lost a bit of range and while he was never a speedster, but maybe he wasn't healthy or whatever.

As much as you cant sign him for his really good year, then you can't sign him to a super low contract based on one bad year.

Which would give me an ulcer as a GM, what amount is fair?????

 

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I think most teams will write it off. Small sample size and they mostly played him out of position. I still don't understand why the Brewers traded for Schoop AND Moustakas when they already had Shaw. I get the idea of trying to add some punch to your offensive, but not when you have to shift nearly your entire infield around to accommodate the bats. It made no sense. 

I think they missed out on a bigger target and were desperate to make some sort of deal.

[Frobby]

9 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

5 for 80 or 6 for 90 was more realistic if he was pulling down a 5.4 WAR.

I am a big Schoop fan, but even to me it looked like a lost a bit of range and while he was never a speedster, but maybe he wasn't healthy or whatever.

As much as you cant sign him for his really good year, then you can't sign him to a super low contract based on one bad year.

Which would give me an ulcer as a GM, what amount is fair?????

 

I don’t think Schoop’s market value last winter should have been fueled by an expectation that he’d be able to repeat 2017 on a regular basis.   Nor should his value now be determined solely based on his poor 2018 season.    

The guy has been worth 11.5 rWAR in 4.5 seasons, roughly 2.5 rWAR per season.   He’s only 27.    I’d fully expect him to be worth 2-2.5 rWAR per season for the next 3 years.

[25 Nuggets]

This is the winter where the Orioles sit back and let other teams spend themselves into a corner.  (well they've done it before, but now it makes sense)

[El Gordo]

2 hours ago, interloper said:

No need with Segura, right?

Segura can play 2B or Manny can play 3B

[atomic]

52 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I agree.    A year ago, people were suggesting contracts like 5/$80 mm or 6/$90 mm for Schoop.    He’s not having his annual value cut by 75% because he had one down year.    

I dont think he will have a choice.  

[jrobb21613]

Free agent 2nd baseman Daniel Descalso is intriguing. He came up thru the Cards orginazation while Elias was there so there is that connection, plus the guy knows how to get on base the past three years his obp has been .349, .332 and .353.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I agree.    A year ago, people were suggesting contracts like 5/$80 mm or 6/$90 mm for Schoop.    He’s not having his annual value cut by 75% because he had one down year.    

 

21 minutes ago, atomic said:

I dont think he will have a choice.  

You and I have different opinions about Schoop’s value, but we will find out soon enough.   It will be interesting to see who signs him and for how much and how long.   

[Satyr3206]

The Orioles will be active in the FA market like I will be active dating supermodels. Nice thought, but won't happen.

[atomic]

24 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

You and I have different opinions about Schoop’s value, but we will find out soon enough.   It will be interesting to see who signs him and for how much and how long.   

I predict 1 year deal 4.5 million. 

[Frobby]

Just now, atomic said:

I predict 1 year deal 4.5 million. 

I will be surprised if he’s below $6 mm.    Saying that, I haven’t really studied who needs a 2B and who is out there.

[Can_of_corn]

12 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I will be surprised if he’s below $6 mm.    Saying that, I haven’t really studied who needs a 2B and who is out there.

My gut is telling me 2/16 but my gut isn't very good at this sort of thing.

[weams]

9 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

My gut is telling me 2/16 but my gut isn't very good at this sort of thing.

2/10 is my guess. 

[weams]

Just now, weams said:

2/10 is my guess. 

Man sold 10% of his lifetime for 5 million. Turned down a multi-20+. Got to get while you get.