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weams Hangout Grand Counsel

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2 hours ago, Cy Bundy said:

Classic case of Metathesiophobia. Law clerks at Weams & Garfunkel are waiting on your call if you believe Orioles baseball has exacerbated your symptoms to the point that you create threads on a message board about normalcy.

 

 

Not an attorney. But Frobby is.

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8 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:

No offense, but I don't believe that for a second.

None taken.  But ...

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They interviewed eight candidates, including former Boston Red Sox manager Grady Little and former Philadelphia Phillies manager Terry Francona.

Mazzilli, 48, seemed like a long shot at the start.

He was short on experience, compared with Little and Francona, though he had gone 220-197 as a manager in the Yankees' minor league system from 1997 to 1999.

And he was certainly short on Orioles ties compared with Murray, Perlozzo, Rick Dempsey and Rich Dauer. From the beginning, the two favorites seemed to be Murray, who went into the Hall of Fame as an Oriole this past summer, and Perlozzo, who has spent the past eight years as the team's bench coach.

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Mazzilli was the seventh of eight candidates to interview for the job, and he dazzled the six-member search committee, which consisted of Beattie, Flanagan, director of baseball administration Ed Kenney, assistant to the vice president Dave Ritterpusch, scouting director Tony DeMacio and farm director Doc Rodgers.

This time, Orioles owner Peter G. Angelos did not meet with the candidates, but Beattie and Flanagan kept him up to speed throughout the process.

Angelos also studied the videotapes from the news conference each candidate conducted after his interview - something the Orioles set up as part of the process.

Last weekend, Beattie and Flanagan told Angelos the candidate that had impressed them the most was Mazzilli.

"When we got through [with Mazzilli's interview]," Flanagan said, "We both went, 'The search is over.' "

Said Beattie: "Lee is a winner. It came through in his interview. He talked about how on a daily basis, it starts and ends with winning. He's not just going to go out and compete."

But Angelos apparently was hesitant. He had strong feelings for Perlozzo, who was considered the runner-up when Hargrove got the job in 1999 and remains popular throughout the organization.

Angelos has long admired Murray and threw him a lavish party in Cooperstown, N.Y., during the Hall of Fame induction weekend. And Angelos, like several members of the search committee, had also been impressed with Dauer, the former Orioles second baseman who now works as the Milwaukee Brewers' bench coach.

Beattie and Flanagan presented their case for Mazzilli on Tuesday, but Angelos didn't sign off on the decision until late Thursday night.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-te.sp.orioles08nov08-story.html

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OMG...

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Dave Ritterpusch

The notorious, legendary "analyst" of the Oriole Dark Ages (ODA). The Precambrian precursor to Sig Mejdal... 

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Ritterpusch once proclaimed that he had "cracked the code" for identifying profiles of prospects likely to succeed

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-10-25/sports/0510250348_1_orioles-flanagan-psychological-testing

Thrift... Elias.

Rutterpusch... Mejdal.

We've come a long way, Birdland.

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6 minutes ago, now said:

OMG...

The notorious, legendary "analyst" of the Oriole Dark Ages (ODA). The Precambrian precursor to Sig Mejdal... 

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-10-25/sports/0510250348_1_orioles-flanagan-psychological-testing

Thrift... Elias.

Rutterpusch... Mejdal.

We've come a long way, Birdland.

Dave did not do data. Dave did psychology. . 

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4 minutes ago, weams said:

Dave did not do data. Dave did psychology. . 

Maybe, but it was characterized as "analysis," so I imagine he examined psychological testing traits in the form of data. For that matter (from my recollection of a recent read of Astroball) I believe psychological or character traits ("makeup") is an important part of the overall package of info that modern analytics takes into account. So who knows? Maybe maligned old Dave P. will one day be recognized as a pioneer... :)

 

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13 minutes ago, weams said:

Dave did not do data. Dave did psychology. . 

Back then, the team thought they were cutting edge going that route. Speaking of Dave

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The O's selected Garcia out of the Texas prep ranks. And, prior to offering him a contract, the club had him take a psychological profile. These profiles were given to all players coming into the organization at the behest of Dave Ritterpusch, who was hired by then GM Mike Flanagan to be Director of Baseball Information Systems. Seems fine on the surface. As an organization you want to have some idea of the makeup of the players you are considering bring in. However, it would help if when administering the test to a player of Mexican origin, to whom English is a (distant) second language that you would TRANSLATE THE TEST INTO SPANISH. The O's did no such thing. Garcia bombed the test. The club refused to sign Garcia, and he went back into the draft for the '05 season. 

https://www.camdenchat.com/2012/5/31/3055975/what-went-wrong-a-2004-draft-retrospective

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