Teams are asking about Bundy

[baltfan]

Let him excel the first couple months of the season like he always does except change the pitch mix.  This may actually convince teams that Elias et al have made him better.  Then sell. 

I love the guy but we we need to suck for awhile

[Luke-OH]

24 minutes ago, El_Duderino said:

I don’t think the valuation of the player changes near the deadline. I do however think teams are willing to be more aggressive with their assets when they are in contention, it’s also a time when multiple teams are in the market. I’ve done no study, but I’d imagine that in general the returns are better at the deadline vice the offseason. 

You are correct, some assets definitely have more value at the deadline, shutdown relievers or front-line starters for example. I think average starting pitchers or average starting position players have more value in the offseason though. They aren't playoff difference-makers and there value is in filling out a rotation or lineup and helping a team win over the course of a season. 

[El_Duderino]

15 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

You are correct, some assets definitely have more value at the deadline, shutdown relievers or front-line starters for example. I think average starting pitchers or average starting position players have more value in the offseason though. They aren't playoff difference-makers and there value is in filling out a rotation or lineup and helping a team win over the course of a season. 

Mostly agree with all, it does seem though that teams will overpay for players who they know are in the midst of a hot streak and are out preforming their career norms. All this to say, no need to rush a Bundy deal as he still has upside. 

[Can_of_corn]

11 minutes ago, El_Duderino said:

Mostly agree with all, it does seem though that teams will overpay for players who they know are in the midst of a hot streak and are out preforming their career norms. All this to say, no need to rush a Bundy deal as he still has upside. 

Dan trading for Parra  doesn't count since he is currently out of baseball.

[TouchemAll]

Simple only for a good fair return, ya just don't give away good pitching.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, TouchemAll said:

Simple only for a good fair return, ya just don't give away good pitching.

You don't give away anything of value.

[FanSince88]

12 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

He’s a tough dude for overcoming this, but it’s obviously really impacted him.  Sounds like the calcium just has to disappear on it’s own.  41 homers allowed is still 41 homers allowed.  Like all SP, he would benefit from pitching in a big ballpark in the NL.

Dr. James Andrews, who examined Bundy, attributed the pain in the 22-year-old's shoulder to an unusually large buildup of calcium, the magnitude of which he said he had never seen before. 

https://www.si.com/mlb/2015/06/29/dylan-bundy-orioles-shoulder-injury-shut-down

 

The injury: R rotator cuff calcific tendinitis

 

I had this condition two summers ago.  Pain was so bad I could barely sleep for a week.  Luckily a cortisone shot and some nsaid meds were able to reduce the inflammation within a few days.  Had to do lots of physical therapy to help the recovery stick and regain range of motion. Still try to do my stretching exercises regularly to keep it at bay.  In my case i was using my traps for everything as a cheat instead of my pecs, which put huge strain on my shoulder.  Ive been told i should never paint a ceiling for the rest of my life.  That said bundy is probably on a way more sophisticated regimen to keep the calcium out and his shoulder sound.  

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, FanSince88 said:

I had this condition two summers ago.  Pain was so bad I could barely sleep for a week.  Luckily a cortisone shot and some nsaid meds were able to reduce the inflammation within a few days.  Had to do lots of physical therapy to help the recovery stick and regain range of motion. Still try to do my stretching exercises regularly to keep it at bay.  In my case i was using my traps for everything as a cheat instead of my pecs, which put huge strain on my shoulder.  Ive been told i should never paint a ceiling for the rest of my life.  That said bundy is probably on a way more sophisticated regimen to keep the calcium out and his shoulder sound.  

That's a shame.

I'd hate to be under that type of restriction. 

[sportsfan8703]

From reading about it the best things are,

-Rest

-Stregthening Core and Legs

-Treatment. Ibuprofen, physical therapy. Etc...

Bundy is already a workout warrior with tree trunk legs. I’m sure he’s getting the best medical care in the world. It’s just throwing a ball makes it worse. 4.35 ERA in the 1st half. 7.11 ERA in the 2nd half. 

Let’s say he has a sub 3.50 ERA at the deadline. Will a team overlook his physical and calcium buildup from the season?  If he’s been dealing with it since 2013, chances are this is going to happen to him each year. 

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

That's a shame.

I'd hate to be under that type of restriction. 

I’ve put myself under that restriction, as well as painting walls.   And my shoulders are just fine.  

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

From reading about it the best things are,

-Rest

-Stregthening Core and Legs

-Treatment. Ibuprofen, physical therapy. Etc...

Bundy is already a workout warrior with tree trunk legs. I’m sure he’s getting the best medical care in the world. It’s just throwing a ball makes it worse. 4.35 ERA in the 1st half. 7.11 ERA in the 2nd half. 

Let’s say he has a sub 3.50 ERA at the deadline. Will a team overlook his physical and calcium buildup from the season?  If he’s been dealing with it since 2013, chances are this is going to happen to him each year. 

You are linking the calcium deposits and his declining 2nd half performance, but they’re not necessarily related.  

[Cumberbundy]

On 12/23/2018 at 10:20 PM, Moose Milligan said:

I'll help pack his bags and drive him to the airport.

[mdbdotcom]

Trade Bundy to the Reds for Kemp and Tony Santillan.

[Cumberbundy]

21 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

I've bluffed my way to bigger pots with worse.

But, the ace was not required. 

[Cumberbundy]

21 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think a fair comparison would be if Gausman's trade value was higher after the season.

I don't think it was.

 

Does Mesa still count as a part of the trade?