Who would you not trade?

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Only one them hits like him as it is.

I would love to see Trout face Gibson on his mound in their primes. 

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A couple guys were up near Trout this season. 

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, LookinUp said:

I almost down voted this post, but I'm sure you know what you're doing. Mays being a better CF (if true), does not mean he's better all around. It means he's better at CF, but still not quite as valuable overall by the only objective measures that exist today*.

Of course, WAR could be wrong, but that's another discussion.

 

*only measure that I've seen being applied is WAR. Maybe there are others favoring Mays, IDK. He was clearly a great player, but so is Trout.

I assumed by "all around" he meant something like "among the best ever at all of hitting, hitting for power, running, throwing, fielding, etc."  You could argue Trout hasn't been an elite runner since his early 20s and isn't the best CFer in the world, just pretty good.  Since Mays wasn't captured by modern tools like Statcast you could substitute subjective stories of his greatness and just assume he was better at some of those things.

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Only one them hits like him as it is.

I wonder what bat speed Mantle had.  What his exit velocity was. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, weams said:

I would love to see Trout face Gibson on his mound in their primes. 

Might not have seen Trout's prime yet.

[DrungoHazewood]

1 minute ago, weams said:

A couple guys were up near Trout this season. 

It's a mark of an inner circle HOFer when the argument against him is "Hey, there were some guys having career years who were just about as good.  In his 6th-best season."

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1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I assumed by "all around" he meant something like "among the best ever at all of hitting, hitting for power, running, throwing, fielding, etc."  You could argue Trout hasn't been an elite runner since his early 20s and isn't the best CFer in the world, just pretty good.  Since Mays wasn't captured by modern tools like Statcast you could substitute subjective stories of his greatness and just assume he was better at some of those things.

And if you wanted to compare now, you could toss out any version of WAR that has a defensive component. Trout would fare well. 

[Roll Tide]

7 hours ago, weams said:

These guys, 

Wait! Why?

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Might not have seen Trout's prime yet.

You are right. I would never have thought Bonds would peak at 40. 

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1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

It's a mark of an inner circle HOFer when the argument against him is "Hey, there were some guys having career years who were just about as good.  In his 6th-best season."

I agree. I think Corn was talking this time slice. 

[DrungoHazewood]

 

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Might not have seen Trout's prime yet.

Probably have, since nobody's been better than this through his age.  Maybe he could pull a reverse Ruth and turn into Randy Johnson for the next 15 years.

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2 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Wait! Why?

I would not trade any of those guys. 

[DrungoHazewood]

1 minute ago, weams said:

And if you wanted to compare now, you could toss out any version of WAR that has a defensive component. Trout would fare well. 

Since all objective evidence about defense is misleading and contrived I'm going to continue to assume that Pete Stanicek was the greatest CFer ever.  Also, greatest second baseman.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

 

Probably have, since nobody's been better than this through his age.  Maybe he could pull a reverse Ruth and turn into Randy Johnson for the next 15 years.

I'm hoping he goes on a five year run of playing 156 games a year.

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1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Since all objective evidence about defense is misleading and contrived 

All the current data. I believe that there is an excellent level of evaluation of defense and it will soon be translated to the composite. valuations.