Anyone got nine more years? ...

[OFFNY]

21 hours ago, weams said:

 

Anyone Got 9 More Years ???

 

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In the event that any of us decide that WE DON'T have 9 more years, the alternative is to stop rooting for (and following) the Orioles ........ no thanks. I've got as many years as I have to live on this earth, in that regard.

 

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[wildcard]

It sounds like John Middleton, Manager partner of the Phillies, is calling the shots for the Phillies.

[JR Oriole]

The Nats have been a very good team since 2012.  The reason they are where they are this morning is they finally found an incredibly clutch, fearless stud who came up with huge hits in the playoffs when his team needed him.  If any of the teams that just got ousted had middle of the lineup hitters that delivered in key spots like the ones on teams that are still standing, they might still be around.  I know in some ways the playoffs can be a crapshoot, but you need your stars to deliver when it counts or you won't go anywhere.  We could have used a guy like Soto in 2014 and 2016, that's for sure. 

[DrungoHazewood]

15 hours ago, Camden_yardbird said:

The next CBA will go along way to determining how long it really takes.  Baseball has gone a long way towards trying to build an 8 team sport over the last decade.  I dont blame them, it's probably the best way to ensure the future success of the sport.  With 8 teams you have stars where you need them in big cities.  You have marketable players and full stadiums.

By my count 27 different teams have won 90+ games in a season since 2010.  I think the only teams without a 90-win season in the past decade are Seattle, Miami, and the White Sox.  And the Mariners have won 85-89 three of the last six years.  So despite some obvious tanking and rebuilding there's nothing quite like the 1990s-2010 Pirates, Orioles and Royals.  Or the 1920-50 Phillies, A's, Browns, Braves and Senators. 

And the Rays, with no discernable fan base and maybe the lowest revenues in the league, have made the playoffs five times since 2008 and have the same number of seasons under 70 wins as the Red Sox.

[Redskins Rick]

12 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

And the Rays, with no discernable fan base and maybe the lowest revenues in the league, have made the playoffs five times since 2008 and have the same number of seasons under 70 wins as the Red Sox.

Rays with low revenues sounds very true and it is, at least according to this chart in the article, it appears that they are tied with the Marlins.

What struck me as odd. Revenues are up, and salaries have stayed the same, so in theory the teams are all making a bit more money.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/10/baseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion/#60f98aa869b2

[DrungoHazewood]

10 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Rays with low revenues sounds very true and it is, at least according to this chart in the article, it appears that they are tied with the Marlins.

What struck me as odd. Revenues are up, and salaries have stayed the same, so in theory the teams are all making a bit more money.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/10/baseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion/#60f98aa869b2

Yes.  Payroll as a percentage of revenues has gone down recently.  So it's safe to assume more profits.

[Redskins Rick]

2 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Yes.  Payroll as a percentage of revenues has gone down recently.  So it's safe to assume more profits.

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Last season revenue increased 4.8%, to an average of $330 million per team, while player costs (including signing bonuses and benefits) remained flat at $157 million.

According to Forbes, revenue increased 4.8% and salaries stayed flatlined.

[Frobby]

45 minutes ago, JR Oriole said:

The Nats have been a very good team since 2012.  The reason they are where they are this morning is they finally found an incredibly clutch, fearless stud who came up with huge hits in the playoffs when his team needed him.  If any of the teams that just got ousted had middle of the lineup hitters that delivered in key spots like the ones on teams that are still standing, they might still be around.  I know in some ways the playoffs can be a crapshoot, but you need your stars to deliver when it counts or you won't go anywhere.  We could have used a guy like Soto in 2014 and 2016, that's for sure. 

Soto is a better hitter than anyone on the 2012-16 Orioles IMO. 140 OPS+ over two seasons and he’s still two weeks away from his 21st birthday.    There’s no doubt in my mind he’ll be one of the top 5 hitters in baseball during the 2020’s.

[Redskins Rick]

11 minutes ago, dmvsports410 said:

At the end of the day they are in the playoffs, and have better ownership. Nobody thought they would make the playoffs or get this far since losing Harper. I give credit where credit is do. 

Nationals did a bit better than BR expectations:

Team	Record	W +/-
Philadelphia Phillies	95-67	+15
Atlanta Braves	92-70	+2
Washington Nationals	90-72	+8
New York Mets	85-77	+8
Miami Marlins	52-110	-11

[Moose Milligan]

19 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Soto is a better hitter than anyone on the 2012-16 Orioles IMO. 140 OPS+ over two seasons and he’s still two weeks away from his 21st birthday.    There’s no doubt in my mind he’ll be one of the top 5 hitters in baseball during the 2020’s.

I can see this.

I can also see him going full blown Kevin Mitchell, getting fat and not taking care of himself.

[Moose Milligan]

28 minutes ago, dmvsports410 said:

So far he seems pretty good. 

So did Kevin Mitchell early on. 

[DrungoHazewood]

17 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

So did Kevin Mitchell early on. 

When Kevin Mitchell was Juan Soto's age he was playing for the Lynchburg Mets in the Carolina League.  It would be five years before he reached Soto's MLB experience.

Soto is about dead even with Mickey Mantle in playing time and value through age 20.

[Moose Milligan]

9 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

When Kevin Mitchell was Juan Soto's age he was playing for the Lynchburg Mets in the Carolina League.  It would be five years before he reached Soto's MLB experience.

Soto is about dead even with Mickey Mantle in playing time and value through age 20.

Jeez, Drungo, not everything has to come down to "Well when so and so was this guys age, he was playing here in this league while this other guy was wildly successful over here in this other league."

No, the comp was that when Kevin Mitchell was young, he was in shape.  And he had an MVP season.  And when he got into his late 20s, he couldn't stay away from the buffet line and got out of shape and everything quickly eroded. It had nothing to do with what age Soto was and where he was in his career vs. what Mitchell was doing at the same age in his career.  

[DrungoHazewood]

14 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Jeez, Drungo, not everything has to come down to "Well when so and so was this guys age, he was playing here in this league while this other guy was wildly successful over here in this other league."

No, the comp was that when Kevin Mitchell was young, he was in shape.  And he had an MVP season.  And when he got into his late 20s, he couldn't stay away from the buffet line and got out of shape and everything quickly eroded. It had nothing to do with what age Soto was and where he was in his career vs. what Mitchell was doing at the same age in his career.  

My point was that when Kevin Mitchell was this young he may have been in shape but he was three levels below the majors.  Maybe Soto gets lazy and fat.  But his performance is massively better at the same ages, and for all we know he could be an MVP with six more years of growth as a hitter and around the waistline.  Mitchell is a weird comp for Soto.  Everyone who was as good as Soto at this age ended up with a long, successful career.  The washouts and injuries and lazy guys on this list are like Vada Pinson, who I always have to go check if he's in the Hall or not.

Is there some reason to think Soto is going to get fat and lazy?

[Moose Milligan]

Just now, DrungoHazewood said:

My point was that when Kevin Mitchell was this young he may have been in shape but he was three levels below the majors.  Maybe Soto gets lazy and fat.  But his performance is massively better at the same ages, and for all we know he could be an MVP with six more years of growth as a hitter and around the waistline.  Mitchell is a weird comp for Soto.  Everyone who was as good as Soto at this age ended up with a long, successful career.  The washouts and injuries and lazy guys on this list are like Vada Pinson, who I always have to go check if he's in the Hall or not.

Is there some reason to think Soto is going to get fat and lazy?