New shortstop option

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Sorry.  I meant 970.

I know - I just couldn’t help myself after the call for “something brilliant.”

The way I see it, the guy is 30 years old, has a career 1.2 rWAR and a best season of 0.8.    The advanced metrics have him as a slightly below average defender at SS, and he’s a .670 OPS career hitter.     I’d rather try somebody younger.    

[wildcard]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I know - I just couldn’t help myself after the call for “something brilliant.”

The way I see it, the guy is 30 years old, has a career 1.2 rWAR and a best season of 0.8.    The advanced metrics have him as a slightly below average defender at SS, and he’s a .670 OPS career hitter.     I’d rather try somebody younger.    

Like who????  I'm waiting for someone to come up with someone better.  I have Galvis as the #1 target and Adrianza if they can't sign Galvis.  

Who you got?

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Like who????  I'm waiting for someone to come up with someone better.  I have Galvis as the #1 target and Adrianza if they can't sign Galvis.  

Who you got?

As long as the team doesn't care about winning who cares who it is if it isn't a long term piece?

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

Like????

Kaiser Soza.

Honestly, I’m not going to scour BB-ref for all the unproven shortstops who might be able to produce 0.5 - 1.0 rWAR if things broke their way.   You’d have to pay me to do that job.   

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Kaiser Soza.

Honestly, I’m not going to scour BB-ref for all the unproven shortstops who might be able to produce 0.5 - 1.0 rWAR if things broke their way.   You’d have to pay me to do that job.   

So you got nothing.   I will keep waiting for someone to come up with somebody better.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

So you got nothing.   I will keep waiting for someone to come up with somebody better.

Everyone has names better options than someone who is 30 and a has a career WAR of 1.  Richie Martin is a better option.

[Ruzious]

4 hours ago, ofan239 said:

I saw the Padres were making a serious run at Ha Seong Kim . If that is the case I wonder if they would consider trading Jake Cronenworth who I would think would make an excellent addition to our team. He played shortsop and second base and if they get Ha Seong Kim I would think he would be their be their second baseman with shortstop and  third base already filled with Machado and Fernando Tatis . If available what would it take to get him . I would think the Os could get him at a reasonable price .354 on base percentage last year . Put him at short . But could also cover other infield spots as well . Thoughts ? I am just looking at other options besides others such as Freddy Galvis .

Interesting suggestion.  Apparently he's got a great arm (threw 95 MPH as a closer) and might be a better fit as a SS than a 2Bman.  Also seems like added strength has improved his hitting.  

[wildcard]

6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Everyone has names better options than someone who is 30 and a has a career WAR of 1.  Richie Martin is a better option.

591 OPS is not better.   

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

591 OPS is not better.   

And of course, you take a SSS (because it’s what you do) and fail to project him to do anything.  The guy you want isn’t good. His career has shown that.  Martin probably isn’t good either but if the bar is a 1 WAR by the time you are 30, I think I give the far younger player the chance to reach that ever so lofty standard.

 

[Frobby]

11 minutes ago, wildcard said:

So you got nothing.   I will keep waiting for someone to come up with somebody better.

That somebody will need to be Mike Elias, who gets paid to do that job.  

[wildcard]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

And of course, you take a SSS (because it’s what you do) and fail to project him to do anything.  The guy you want isn’t good. His career has shown that.  Martin probably isn’t good either but if the bar is a 1 WAR by the time you are 30, I think I give the far younger player the chance to reach that ever so lofty standard.

 

I do project Martin.  I project him to begin the season in AAA and show he can do better.

So you don't want Galvis?

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

And of course, you take a SSS (because it’s what you do) and fail to project him to do anything.  The guy you want isn’t good. His career has shown that.  Martin probably isn’t good either but if the bar is a 1 WAR by the time you are 30, I think I give the far younger player the chance to reach that ever so lofty standard.

 

It’s not a huge sample size, but it’s not as if Martin hit well for most of his minor league career.    And it’s not like he looked good at the plate, either.    He looked totally overmatched most of the time.   I’d like Martin to have some serious competition for the job, put it that way.   

[wildcard]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

That somebody will need to be Mike Elias, who gets paid to do that job.  

As I said.  I will wait for someone to come up with somebody better. Mike would be fine.  But if anyone that posts here has someone better I would love to hear from them.

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

It’s not a huge sample size, but it’s not as if Martin hit well for most of his minor league career.    And it’s not like he looked good at the plate, either.    He looked totally overmatched most of the time.   I’d like Martin to have some serious competition for the job, put it that way.   

His serious competition right now is Yolmer Sanchez.  Mike thinks he can play SS.

[Sports Guy]

12 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I do project Martin.  I project him to begin the season in AAA and show he can do better.

So you don't want Galvis?

I was the first one to mention him.

No, I don’t want him.  He isn’t good but he’s the most realistic “best” Option.