The second guessing Hyde thread.

[wildcard]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

They are sticking with a five man rotation and not skipping a spot when they have an off day.   Means is on pace for 217 innings if he makes all his starts on that schedule.   No reason at all to throw extra starts at him.  

But the next turn they are skipping the 5th starter.

[Frobby]

Just now, wildcard said:

But the next turn they are skipping the 5th starter.

Just saw that.   

[wildcard]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Just saw that.   

Well unless Means pitches another no hitter.

[waroriole]

Before we know the results I just wanna say I agree with Hyde taking out Means. Innings have to be managed this year. 

[accinfo]

13 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Before we know the results I just wanna say I agree with Hyde taking out Means. Innings have to be managed this year. 

It is a no brainer decision playing under National League rules with runners on 2nd and 3rd in a 0-0 or any tied game.

[Sports Guy]

14 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Before we know the results I just wanna say I agree with Hyde taking out Means. Innings have to be managed this year. 

Yep..pitch count wasn’t high but so what?  It was the right call imo.  His stuff wasn’t as good either.  Only 3 Ks and didn’t miss a lot of bats.    He did throw a lot of strikes and was getting some weak contact.  Pitched inside very effectively.

[Moose Milligan]

30 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yep..pitch count wasn’t high but so what?  It was the right call imo.  His stuff wasn’t as good either.  Only 3 Ks and didn’t miss a lot of bats.    He did throw a lot of strikes and was getting some weak contact.  Pitched inside very effectively.

Also needed to get at least one run there.  I didn't have an issue with it either, especially after the 6th inning where he allowed some runners.

[Sports Guy]

9 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Also needed to get at least one run there.  I didn't have an issue with it either, especially after the 6th inning where he allowed some runners.

Yep..maybe he stays in for another inning if we still weren’t playing by idiotic rules but since they are, Hyde made the right call.

[MCO'sFan]

I thought the decision to not load the bases and set up the force play home and the double play was horrible. I don't understand how that doesn't happen after the runner took 2B on the wild pitch. 

[NCRaven]

If the game the offense had given us more than a zero run lead, Means would have continued.  Had to pinch hit there, had nothing to do with Means performance and everything to do with this offensive offense's consistent inability to score runs.

[Frobby]

From Joe Trezza:

The decision: To hit for López, or not?
Who: Hyde
When: Top of the fifth inning

Given López’s history of fifth-inning struggles, Hyde had a legitimate decision to make when the pitcher walked to the plate in the top of the fifth inning, with the bases loaded and two out in a scoreless game. At least that’s how it seemed.

It was only the ninth career plate appearance for López, who has spent most of his career in the American League. And not only were the Orioles desperate for offense, but they appeared to have Strasburg on the ropes.

“It was not much of a decision the way our bullpen was tonight,” Hyde said. “I know he’s had trouble in the middle part of the game, but I was trying to push him there. We just did not have many innings in the bullpen tonight, so he needed to go back out.”

López struck out to end the inning, surrendered two runs in the bottom of the frame and was lifted after five anyway.

https://www.mlb.com/orioles/news/orioles-bats-quiet-in-loss-to-nationals

[Bahama O's Fan]

I questioned the decision at the time. You can't get five innings out of your bullpen tonight? Bring somebody up the next day. Use a starter and get another one. Lopez couldn't get you a bunch more innings anyway.

[HowAboutThat]

3 hours ago, Frobby said:

From Joe Trezza:

The decision: To hit for López, or not?
Who: Hyde
When: Top of the fifth inning

Given López’s history of fifth-inning struggles, Hyde had a legitimate decision to make when the pitcher walked to the plate in the top of the fifth inning, with the bases loaded and two out in a scoreless game. At least that’s how it seemed.

It was only the ninth career plate appearance for López, who has spent most of his career in the American League. And not only were the Orioles desperate for offense, but they appeared to have Strasburg on the ropes.

“It was not much of a decision the way our bullpen was tonight,” Hyde said. “I know he’s had trouble in the middle part of the game, but I was trying to push him there. We just did not have many innings in the bullpen tonight, so he needed to go back out.”

López struck out to end the inning, surrendered two runs in the bottom of the frame and was lifted after five anyway.

https://www.mlb.com/orioles/news/orioles-bats-quiet-in-loss-to-nationals

I spent some time looking up Lopez’ work this season in an effort to support my argument that Hyde leaves his starters in too long. Yesterday was just a continuation of what Hyde has been doing all season. Lopez’ pitch count was a little lower than his usual but there was still no acceptable reason to leave him in.

If the bullpen is really that bad, that’s another problem, but it doesn’t justify the decision.

Hyde shouldn’t get another contract. I think he was signed for three years and he’s being tried and found wanting.

[eddie83]

2 minutes ago, Philip said:

I spent some time looking up Lopez’ work this season in an effort to support my argument that Hyde leaves his starters in too long. Yesterday was just a continuation of what Hyde has been doing all season. Lopez’ pitch count was a little lower than his usual but there was still no acceptable reason to leave him in.

If the bullpen is really that bad, that’s another problem, but it doesn’t justify the decision.

Hyde shouldn’t get another contract. I think he was signed for three years and he’s being tried and found wanting.

They have 14 pitchers and he is worried about pen usage. How many arms should they have? 
 

If the pen is on fumes how does yanking starters earlier help? You can’t just ignore that portion of the conversation. 

[HowAboutThat]

50 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

They have 14 pitchers and he is worried about pen usage. How many arms should they have? 
 

If the pen is on fumes how does yanking starters earlier help? You can’t just ignore that portion of the conversation. 

First of all, Hyde has been doing it all season.

secondly, even in the best case scenario, he was only going to get one or two additional outs before going to the bullpen anyway.

That doesn’t save anything, Hyde would STILL have to go to the pen. So he only makes the problem worse. Almost every time. That the bullpen isn’t good right now is irrelevant, because you know before the game that even in the best case, you need four innings from the pen.

And with a scuffling pen, isn’t it better by far to start with a clean inning and minimize damage from mistakes as much as possible?

Finally, in the NL there was no reason to send a guaranteed out to the plate. So not only was Hyde holding his starter in too long, he was wasting an at bat with RISP.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Philip