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27 minutes ago, waynebug said:

Keith Law said #18 in February.  Very top heavy system.  Obviously the system is acquiring hitters while ignoring pitchers.

I always said people believe what they want to believe.  

 

 

Law is on an island with that ranking though.  Everyone else has them much higher. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Law is on an island with that ranking though.  Everyone else has them much higher. 
 

 

Yeah. Fangraphs had them #1 the other day. It's clear that Adley and Grayson are skewing the grade by a lot. They'll graduate next year and we'll take a step back by necessity even if we add some really nice talent.

We need a perpetually good system. This is a good start. Hopefully after next season we'll have a couple of guys replacing Adley/Grayson on top 100 lists, even though there's no way they can be THAT highly ranked.

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2 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

Yeah. Fangraphs had them #1 the other day. It's clear that Adley and Grayson are skewing the grade by a lot. They'll graduate next year and we'll take a step back by necessity even if we add some really nice talent.

We need a perpetually good system. This is a good start. Hopefully after next season we'll have a couple of guys replacing Adley/Grayson on top 100 lists, even though there's no way they can be THAT highly ranked.

I don’t care about grades or rankings, I care about production. Btw, when I say I don’t care, I mean that I’m glad to see the progress but I’m tired of hearing about it at the same time.  I want results.  I don’t follow the Os, write about them, spend time on them, etc..to be giddy about how some publication likes our players who have done nothing at the ML level.

The Os had a system ranked 21st in 2011 and 2012 and the team went on to have the most wins in the AL from 2012-2016.  
 

I love the potential but it needs to be more than that.

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1 minute ago, LookinUp said:

Yeah. Fangraphs had them #1 the other day. It's clear that Adley and Grayson are skewing the grade by a lot. They'll graduate next year and we'll take a step back by necessity even if we add some really nice talent.

We need a perpetually good system. This is a good start. Hopefully after next season we'll have a couple of guys replacing Adley/Grayson on top 100 lists, even though there's no way they can be THAT highly ranked.

I think Grayson has a fair chance to still be list eligible in 2023.

As for no one being that highly rated...a 1-1 in 2022 could be a top 10 prospect.

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Just now, Sports Guy said:

I don’t care about grades or rankings, I care about production.

The Os had a system ranked 21st in 2011 and 2012 and the team went on to have the most wins in the AL from 2012-2016.  
 

I love the potential but it needs to be more than that.

Yep. That 2012-2016 house was built on sand though. We need a solid foundation so we're not stuck in this spot again.

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I think Grayson has a fair chance to still be list eligible in 2023.

As for no one being that highly rated...a 1-1 in 2022 could be a top 10 prospect.

Hopefully Grayson is not on that list next year. That would be terrible news, IMO. A top overall pick would certainly be very highly rated.

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Just now, LookinUp said:

Yep. That 2012-2016 house was built on sand though. We need a solid foundation so we're not stuck in this spot again.

Agreed.  That team was built the opposite way although they got a lot more out of the farm than people seem to realize.  But yes, those teams were built on an existing foundation and good ML moves…it wasn’t sustainable long term though.

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Just now, LookinUp said:

Hopefully Grayson is not on that list next year. That would be terrible news, IMO. A top overall pick would certainly be very highly rated.

Twice now Elias has arranged that a prospect has fallen just short of losing rookie eligibility.  I can see him doing it with Grayson.

Of course the details of the next CBA will be a huge factor.

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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

Agreed.  That team was built the opposite way although they got a lot more out of the farm than people seem to realize.  But yes, those teams were built on an existing foundation and good ML moves…it wasn’t sustainable long term though.

The thing is, it maybe could have been.

You trade high instead of low, don't give up draft picks and maybe the O's never need a full rebuild.

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Just now, Sports Guy said:

Agreed.  That team was built the opposite way although they got a lot more out of the farm than people seem to realize.  But yes, those teams were built on an existing foundation and good ML moves…it wasn’t sustainable long term though.

I agree with that, both in terms of the fact we did get some things out of our minors and also in terms of not being sustainable. You could argue that if we keep Rodriguez and Davies our future looks a lot different. Keep Cruz, don't sign Davis, sign Manny and you start to have a team with a lot fewer holes to fill. 

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