Baseball America #2 system

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, waynebug said:

They won't draft the best player available.

The best player willing to sign underslot available.  And presumably has to be a bat.

You mean like they did with Adley?

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

You mean like they did with Adley?

Adley was a bat that was willing to sign an underslot deal.

So Wayne isn't wrong.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

The thing is, it maybe could have been.

You trade high instead of low, don't give up draft picks and maybe the O's never need a full rebuild.

No doubt..but they were dumb and had the wrong manager and owner in place to do that.

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Adley was a bat that was willing to sign an underslot deal.

So Wayne isn't wrong.

He was BPA, at least for most people.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

He was BPA

Right.

And what did Wayne say?

In that case the BPA also happened to be a bat that was willing to sign an underslot deal.

 

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

I agree with that, both in terms of the fact we did get some things out of our minors and also in terms of not being sustainable. You could argue that if we keep Rodriguez and Davies our future looks a lot different. Keep Cruz, don't sign Davis, sign Manny and you start to have a team with a lot fewer holes to fill. 

Lots of ways they could have gone, both trading the core And keeping it.

They chose to take the worst possible routes.  
 

It’s actually truly mind blowing that they could have been that dumb at the time.  

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Right.

And what did Wayne say?

In that case the BPA also happened to be a bat that was willing to sign an underslot deal.

 

He said “they won’t draft best player available”

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

I agree with that, both in terms of the fact we did get some things out of our minors and also in terms of not being sustainable. You could argue that if we keep Rodriguez and Davies our future looks a lot different. Keep Cruz, don't sign Davis, sign Manny and you start to have a team with a lot fewer holes to fill. 

Keeping Cruz sounds like going in a time machine and making the best choice possible.

Letting Cruz walk was the right move.

Now if they had just let Davis and Trumbo walk....

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

He said “they won’t draft best player available”

He also said:

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The best player willing to sign underslot available.  And presumably has to be a bat.

That was Adley.

This is really simple stuff here.

Adley was both the BPA and a bat that was willing to sign an underslot deal.

 

[Can_of_corn]

You did remember that Adley signed an underslot deal right?

[Sports Guy]

45 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You did remember that Adley signed an underslot deal right?

Yes, by a few hundred K.  That’s clearly not what he was talking about and he also said that they will not draft BPA.

Its not really that difficult to figure out what he was saying but you want to troll and play the semantics game, so have at it.  

[Can_of_corn]

9 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes, by a few hundred K.  That’s clearly not what he was talking about and he also said that they will not draft BPA.

Its not really that difficult to figure out what he was saying but you want to troll and play the semantics game, so have at it.  

They saved 300K.  Gunnar cost 600K over.  I'd say the savings from Adley were significant to how the draft went.

[Frobby]

25 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

They saved 300K.  Gunnar cost 600K over.  I'd say the savings from Adley were significant to how the draft went.

We will never know what Elias would have done if Adley had insisted before the draft that he was only signing for slot or higher.   So, no point in worrying about it.  I’m glad we picked him and that he agreed to a 4% discount off slot that helped us sign some other players.  

[RZNJ]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

I don’t care about grades or rankings, I care about production. Btw, when I say I don’t care, I mean that I’m glad to see the progress but I’m tired of hearing about it at the same time.  I want results.  I don’t follow the Os, write about them, spend time on them, etc..to be giddy about how some publication likes our players who have done nothing at the ML level.

The Os had a system ranked 21st in 2011 and 2012 and the team went on to have the most wins in the AL from 2012-2016.  
 

I love the potential but it needs to be more than that.

You seem to care when you cry about the draft every year.   lol

[Aglets]

31 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

They saved 300K.  Gunnar cost 600K over.  I'd say the savings from Adley were significant to how the draft went.

Significant but insufficient.