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Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

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BTW, I'm fine with him liking Erbe as I knew from the start that I had a minority opinion of Erbe's ceiling.

Yes, you do seem to be out there on a limb on that one. Here's my system: when you rank someone much lower than everyone else does, I assume you are wrong. When you rank someone much higher than everyone else does, I assume you are right. It's completely illogical but it keeps me happy.

The one other guy who BA, BBHQ and Sickels all like far more than you is Mickolio. I've seen Mickolio pitch, and your assessment makes a lot more sense to me than theirs does. But I'm praying they are correct and you (and I) are wrong.

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Nobody has mentioned it, so I'll peel it out and hammer it home:

Drafting early has helped that, but willingness to actually spend money on good players (Wieters, Arrrieta, Matusz) is a key factor that some other early-drafting teams have missed.

If we're gonna stink, we might as well stink smartly...

We need to continue to draft best overall talent and pay for it. We don't have the luxury of a pretty next for FA birds to migrate to (even if we are Orioles...)

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Adding in the Nats and Cubs:

KCR -- 2 A-, 6 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 1 C ---- Top 10: 3.07 Top 20: 2.68

MIN -- 2 B+, 2 B, 5 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 10: 2.83 Top 20: 2.58

ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ --- Top 10: 3.07 Top 20: 2.75

PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ----------- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.47

TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ --- Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.67

ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C ---- Top 10: 2.80 Top 20: 2.40

BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.60

WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C ---- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.48

CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C ----Top 10: 2.66 Top 20: 2.38

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Adding in the Nats and Cubs:

KCR -- 2 A-, 6 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 1 C ---- Top 10: 3.07 Top 20: 2.68

MIN -- 2 B+, 2 B, 5 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 10: 2.83 Top 20: 2.58

ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ --- Top 10: 3.07 Top 20: 2.75

PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ----------- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.47

TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ --- Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.67

ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C ---- Top 10: 2.80 Top 20: 2.40

BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.60

WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C ---- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.48

CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C ----Top 10: 2.66 Top 20: 2.38

And now, the Red Sox:

BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ ----Top 10: 2.93 Top 20: 2.68

Not as strong as Baltimore at the top, but a lot of depth.

After 10 teams, the O's top 10 ranks tied for 3rd overall, the top 20 is 5th out of 10.

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And now, the Red Sox:

BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ ----Top 10: 2.93 Top 20: 2.68

Not as strong as Baltimore at the top, but a lot of depth.

After 10 teams, the O's top 10 ranks tied for 3rd overall, the top 20 is 5th out of 10.

Frobby,

Now that the Reds and the Blue Jays top 20 have been done, where do we stand now?

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Frobby,

Now that the Reds and the Blue Jays top 20 have been done, where do we stand now?

They both rank well below us:

KCR -- 2 A-, 6 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 1 C ---- Top 10: 3.07 Top 20: 2.68

MIN -- 2 B+, 2 B, 5 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 10: 2.83 Top 20: 2.58

ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ --- Top 10: 3.07 Top 20: 2.75

PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ----------- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.47

TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ --- Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.67

ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C ---- Top 10: 2.80 Top 20: 2.40

BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.60

WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C ---- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.48

CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C ----Top 10: 2.66 Top 20: 2.38

BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ ----Top 10: 2.93 Top 20: 2.68

CIN -- 1 B+, 3 B, 4 B-, 10 C+, 2 C -----Top 10: 2.77 Top 20: 2.52

TOR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 7 C+, 7 C Top 10: 2.73 Top 20: 2.42

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Brewers 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ------Top 10 2.83, Top 20 2.53

Our top 10 is still tied for 3rd out of 13 teams rated so far. The top 20 is tied for 5th. I'm not sure which of the systems not rated yet are highly regarded but I know Texas is, and I believe Oakland has reloaded nicely over the last 18 months.

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Brewers 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ------Top 10 2.83, Top 20 2.53

Our top 10 is still tied for 3rd out of 13 teams rated so far. The top 20 is tied for 5th. I'm not sure which of the systems not rated yet are highly regarded but I know Texas is, and I believe Oakland has reloaded nicely over the last 18 months.

Oakland and Texas are the clear top two. Florida's good. SF has gotten a lot better. There may be another team or two (STL?), but those are the big contenders I think.

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Brewers 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ------Top 10 2.83, Top 20 2.53

Our top 10 is still tied for 3rd out of 13 teams rated so far. The top 20 is tied for 5th. I'm not sure which of the systems not rated yet are highly regarded but I know Texas is, and I believe Oakland has reloaded nicely over the last 18 months.

That is before Oakland dealt off a bunch of guys in the Holliday trade. I think they are still up there, but I haven't seen much in their organization that makes me think they are top 5 at the moment, top 10 maybe.

TEX is deep though, no doubt there, they hang on to their young talent, kinda like the Dodgers AL.

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That is before Oakland dealt off a bunch of guys in the Holliday trade. I think they are still up there, but I haven't seen much in their organization that makes me think they are top 5 at the moment, top 10 maybe.

TEX is deep though, no doubt there, they hang on to their young talent, kinda like the Dodgers AL.

The guys they dealt away, though, generally haven't cut into their prospect group (surprisingly). With the exception of Carlos Gonzalez, the moved a lot of young talent that no longer qualified as "prospects". I'm only a third of the way through my organizational reviews but OAK is currently still number 2 behind TEX, in my opinion.

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The guys they dealt away, though, generally haven't cut into their prospect group (surprisingly). With the exception of Carlos Gonzalez, the moved a lot of young talent that no longer qualified as "prospects". I'm only a third of the way through my organizational reviews but OAK is currently still number 2 behind TEX, in my opinion.

OAK 2 B+, 6 B, 7 B-, 5 C+ ----Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.75

So they tied us for 3rd-best top 10 so far, but they got there in a very different way. We have an A, 3 B+, 1 B and 4 B-. We're very heavy on our top 4 and peter out quickly after that. Oakland just keeps going and going. Their top 20 is tied for the best of the 14 teams Sickels has rated, with Atlanta the other team.

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The guys they dealt away, though, generally haven't cut into their prospect group (surprisingly). With the exception of Carlos Gonzalez, the moved a lot of young talent that no longer qualified as "prospects". I'm only a third of the way through my organizational reviews but OAK is currently still number 2 behind TEX, in my opinion.

REALLY? Man, I must be more down on some of their guys then, I think they have a few that legit have a chance to be good, but some of their others look like they are going to plateau. I mean, they are deep, but I don't think they have the talent at the top, I see a lot of AAAA players in their future.

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REALLY? Man, I must be more down on some of their guys then, I think they have a few that legit have a chance to be good, but some of their others look like they are going to plateau. I mean, they are deep, but I don't think they have the talent at the top, I see a lot of AAAA players in their future.

The key is depth. They don't have many huge superstars-in-the-making (though Cahill and Anderson are a big deal) but they'll have a ton of guys on BA's top 100.

They have nine on Minor League Ball's community list, and that's without too much ballot-stuffing.

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The key is depth. They don't have many huge superstars-in-the-making (though Cahill and Anderson are a big deal) but they'll have a ton of guys on BA's top 100.

They have nine on Minor League Ball's community list, and that's without too much ballot-stuffing.

Depth? All that matters is your top. Most prospects that make it are at the top.

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