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I don't see any remaining teams passing us. If that's the case then our farm system is legit!!
Unfortunately, so are Tampa's and Boston's.

We can only control what we do, not what the other teams do. One thing that is nice about the Orioles' system is that not only is there a fair amount of talent, but a lot of it is 2 years away or less -- Wieters, Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta, Reimold, Snyder, Hernandez, Bergesen, Berken, Patton, Spoone, Erbe to name a few. So even some of the organizations that are higher-rated than we are don't have that kinds of an influx of talent coming that soon.

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Again, the BA ranking last year was before the Bedard trade. Tillman and Mickolio certainly have helped our system and we would have been ranked a notch or two higher after that trade had BA had time to update their list.

I don't have a huge issue as to where BAL was ranked. Was there a good reason to bump WAS 21 spots?

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The Giants are up and it's a strong system but not quite as deep a top 10. Here's the whole list to date:

KCR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 6 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 1 C ----Top 10: 3.03 Top 20: 2.67

MIN -- 2 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 12 C+ ------------ Top 10: 2.77 Top 20: 2.55

ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ -------- Top 10: 3.07 Top 20: 2.75

PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C --------------- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.47

TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.67

ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C -------- Top 10: 2.80 Top 20: 2.40

BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C ----Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.60

WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C -------- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.48

CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C --------Top 10: 2.66 Top 20: 2.38

BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ --------Top 10: 2.93 Top 20: 2.68

CIN -- 1 B+, 3 B, 4 B-, 10 C+, 2 C ---------Top 10: 2.77 Top 20: 2.52

TOR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 7 C+, 7 C ----Top 10: 2.73 Top 20: 2.42

MIL -- 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ----------Top 10: 2.83 Top 20: 2.53

OAK -- 2 B+, 6 B, 7 B-, 5 C+ --------------Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.75

TEX -- 1 A, 2 A-, 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+ ----Top 10: 3.23 Top 20: 2.80

COL -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+, 8 C ----Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.38

NYM -- 2 B+, 3 B, 12 C+, 3 C -------------Top 10: 2.73 Top 20: 2.48

CWS -- 2 B+,1 B, 9 C+ and 8 C ------------Top 10: 2.60 Top 20: 2.33

SFG -- 1 A, 1 A-,1 B+,1 B, 3 B-, 12 C+, 1 C Top 10: 2.90 Top 20: 2.60

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How we rank:

Top 20

(1)TEX -- 1 A, 2 A-, 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+ ---- Top 20: 2.80

(2)ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ -------- Top 20: 2.75

(3)OAK -- 2 B+, 6 B, 7 B-, 5 C+ -------------- Top 20: 2.75

(4)BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ --------Top 20: 2.68

(5)KCR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 6 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 1 C ----Top 20: 2.67

(6)TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 20: 2.67

(7)BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C ---- Top 20: 2.60

(8)SFG -- 1 A, 1 A-,1 B+,1 B, 3 B-, 12 C+, 1 C --Top 20: 2.60

(9)MIN -- 2 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 12 C+ ------------ Top 20: 2.55

(10)MIL -- 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ---------- Top 20: 2.53

(11)CIN -- 1 B+, 3 B, 4 B-, 10 C+, 2 C --------- Top 20: 2.52

(12)WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C -------- Top 20: 2.48

(13)PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C --------------- Top 20: 2.47

(14)TOR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 7 C+, 7 C ---- Top 20: 2.42

(15)ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C -------- Top 20: 2.40

(16)COL -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+, 8 C ---- Top 20: 2.38

(17)CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C -------- Top 20: 2.38

(18)CHW--2 B+,1 B, 9 C+ and 8 C--------------Top 20: 2.33

Top 10

(1)TEX Top 10: 3.23

(2)ATL Top 10: 3.07

(3)KCR Top 10: 3.03

(4)OAK Top 10: 3.00

(5)TAM Top 10: 3.00

(6)BAL Top 10: 3.00

(7)SF Top 10: 2.90

(8)BOS Top 10: 2.93

(9)MIL Top 10: 2.83

(10)ARI Top 10: 2.80

(11)MIN Top 10: 2.77

(12)CIN Top 10: 2.77

(13)TOR Top 10: 2.73

(14)WAS Top 10: 2.70

(15)PHI Top 10: 2.70

(16)COL Top 10: 2.70

(17)CHC Top 10: 2.66

(18)CHW Top 10: 2.60

These stats courtesy from Frobby

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How we rank:

Top 20

(1)TEX -- 1 A, 2 A-, 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+ ---- Top 20: 2.80

(2)ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ -------- Top 20: 2.75

(3)OAK -- 2 B+, 6 B, 7 B-, 5 C+ -------------- Top 20: 2.75

(4)BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ --------Top 20: 2.68

(5)KCR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 6 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 1 C ----Top 20: 2.67

(6)TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 20: 2.67

(7)BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C ---- Top 20: 2.60

(8)SFG -- 1 A, 1 A-,1 B+,1 B, 3 B-, 12 C+, 1 C --Top 20: 2.60

(9)MIN -- 2 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 12 C+ ------------ Top 20: 2.55

(10)MIL -- 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ---------- Top 20: 2.53

(11)CIN -- 1 B+, 3 B, 4 B-, 10 C+, 2 C --------- Top 20: 2.52

(12)WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C -------- Top 20: 2.48

(13)PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C --------------- Top 20: 2.47

(14)TOR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 7 C+, 7 C ---- Top 20: 2.42

(15)ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C -------- Top 20: 2.40

(16)COL -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+, 8 C ---- Top 20: 2.38

(17)CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C -------- Top 20: 2.38

(18)CHW--2 B+,1 B, 9 C+ and 8 C--------------Top 20: 2.33

Top 10

(1)TEX Top 10: 3.23

(2)ATL Top 10: 3.07

(3)KCR Top 10: 3.03

(4)OAK Top 10: 3.00

(5)TAM Top 10: 3.00

(6)BAL Top 10: 3.00

(7)SF Top 10: 2.90

(8)BOS Top 10: 2.93

(9)MIL Top 10: 2.83

(10)ARI Top 10: 2.80

(11)MIN Top 10: 2.77

(12)CIN Top 10: 2.77

(13)TOR Top 10: 2.73

(14)WAS Top 10: 2.70

(15)PHI Top 10: 2.70

(16)COL Top 10: 2.70

(17)CHC Top 10: 2.66

(18)CHW Top 10: 2.60

These stats courtesy from Frobby

That is before he adjusts his rankings for OAK. I know Cahill is going to an A rating, and I think one of their other kids is too, not that it affects our ranking, but OAK will be right up there with TEX.

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Sickels changed the grades of five prospects last night so I'm updating the list. Changes were to the A's (two B+ promoted to A-), White Sox (two C+ promoted to B-) and Royals (B- demoted to C+)

KCR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 6 B, 1 B-, 10 C+, 1 C ----Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.65

MIN -- 2 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 12 C+ ------------- Top 10: 2.77 Top 20: 2.55

ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ -------- Top 10: 3.07 Top 20: 2.75

PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C --------------- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.47

TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.67

ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C -------- Top 10: 2.80 Top 20: 2.40

BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C ----Top 10: 3.00 Top 20: 2.60

WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C -------- Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.48

CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C --------Top 10: 2.66 Top 20: 2.38

BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ --------Top 10: 2.93 Top 20: 2.68

CIN -- 1 B+, 3 B, 4 B-, 10 C+, 2 C ---------Top 10: 2.77 Top 20: 2.52

TOR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 7 C+, 7 C ----Top 10: 2.73 Top 20: 2.42

MIL -- 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ----------Top 10: 2.83 Top 20: 2.53

OAK -- 2 A-, 6 B, 7 B-, 5 C+ --------------Top 10: 3.07 Top 20: 2.78

TEX -- 1 A, 2 A-, 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+ ----Top 10: 3.23 Top 20: 2.80

COL -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+, 8 C ----Top 10: 2.70 Top 20: 2.38

NYM -- 2 B+, 3 B, 12 C+, 3 C -------------Top 10: 2.73 Top 20: 2.48

CWS -- 2 B+,1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+ and 8 C ------Top 10: 2.67 Top 20: 2.37

SFG -- 1 A, 1 A-,1 B+,1 B, 3 B-, 12 C+, 1 C Top 10: 2.90 Top 20: 2.60

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Updated ranking

Top 20

(1)TEX -- 1 A, 2 A-, 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+ ---- Top 20: 2.80

(2)OAK -- 2 A-, 6 B, 7 B-, 5 C+ ---------------Top 20: 2.78

(3)ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ -------- Top 20: 2.75

(4)BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ --------Top 20: 2.68

(5)TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 20: 2.67

(6)KCR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 6 B, 1 B-, 10 C+, 1 C ----Top 20: 2.65

(7)BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C ---- Top 20: 2.60

(8)SFG -- 1 A, 1 A-,1 B+,1 B, 3 B-, 12 C+, 1 C --Top 20: 2.60

(9)MIN -- 2 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 12 C+ ------------ Top 20: 2.55

(10)MIL -- 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ---------- Top 20: 2.53

(11)CIN -- 1 B+, 3 B, 4 B-, 10 C+, 2 C --------- Top 20: 2.52

(12)WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C -------- Top 20: 2.48

(13)PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C --------------- Top 20: 2.47

(14)TOR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 7 C+, 7 C ---- Top 20: 2.42

(15)ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C -------- Top 20: 2.40

(16)COL -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+, 8 C ---- Top 20: 2.38

(17)CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C -------- Top 20: 2.38

(18)CWS -- 2 B+,1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+ and 8 C ------ Top 20: 2.37

Top 10

(1)TEX Top 10: 3.23

(2)OAK Top 10: 3.07

(3)ATL Top 10: 3.07

(4)TAM Top 10: 3.00

(5)KCR Top 10: 3.00

(6)BAL Top 10: 3.00

(7)SF Top 10: 2.90

(8)BOS Top 10: 2.93

(9)MIL Top 10: 2.83

(10)ARI Top 10: 2.80

(11)MIN Top 10: 2.77

(12)CIN Top 10: 2.77

(13)TOR Top 10: 2.73

(14)WAS Top 10: 2.70

(15)PHI Top 10: 2.70

(16)COL Top 10: 2.70

(17)CHW Top 10: 2.67

(18)CHC Top 10: 2.66

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That is before he adjusts his rankings for OAK. I know Cahill is going to an A rating, and I think one of their other kids is too, not that it affects our ranking, but OAK will be right up there with TEX.

Yeah, I don't know what else he is looking for with regards to Cahill/Anderson...

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NYY -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 13 C+ Top 10: 2.67 Top 20: 2.50

Not much at the top, but decent depth.

Updated ranking

Top 20

(1)TEX -- 1 A, 2 A-, 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+ ---- Top 20: 2.80

(2)OAK -- 2 A-, 6 B, 7 B-, 5 C+ ---------------Top 20: 2.78

(3)ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ -------- Top 20: 2.75

(4)BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ --------Top 20: 2.68

(5)TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 20: 2.67

(6)KCR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 6 B, 1 B-, 10 C+, 1 C ----Top 20: 2.65

(7)BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C ---- Top 20: 2.60

(8)SFG -- 1 A, 1 A-,1 B+,1 B, 3 B-, 12 C+, 1 C --Top 20: 2.60

(9)MIN -- 2 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 12 C+ ------------ Top 20: 2.55

(10)MIL -- 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ---------- Top 20: 2.53

(11)CIN -- 1 B+, 3 B, 4 B-, 10 C+, 2 C --------- Top 20: 2.52

(12)NYY -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 13 C+ ----------- Top 20: 2.50

(13)NYM --2 B+, 3 B, 12 C+, 3 C ------------- Top 20: 2.48

(14)WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C -------- Top 20: 2.48

(15)PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C --------------- Top 20: 2.47

(16)TOR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 7 C+, 7 C ---- Top 20: 2.42

(17)ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C -------- Top 20: 2.40

(18)COL -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+, 8 C ---- Top 20: 2.38

(19)CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C -------- Top 20: 2.38

(20)CWS -- 2 B+,1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+ and 8 C ------ Top 20: 2.37

Top 10

(1)TEX Top 10: 3.23

(2)OAK Top 10: 3.07

(3)ATL Top 10: 3.07

(4)TAM Top 10: 3.00

(5)KCR Top 10: 3.00

(6)BAL Top 10: 3.00

(7)SF Top 10: 2.90

(8)BOS Top 10: 2.93

(9)MIL Top 10: 2.83

(10)ARI Top 10: 2.80

(11)MIN Top 10: 2.77

(12)CIN Top 10: 2.77

(13)NYM Top 10: 2.73

(14)TOR Top 10: 2.73

(15)WAS Top 10: 2.70

(16)PHI Top 10: 2.70

(17)COL Top 10: 2.70

(18)NYY Top 10: 2.67

(19)CHW Top 10: 2.67

(20)CHC Top 10: 2.66

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You left out the Mets. 2 B+, 3 B, 12 C+, 3 C -------------Top 10: 2.73 Top 20: 2.48

Updated ranking

Top 20

(1)TEX -- 1 A, 2 A-, 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+ ---- Top 20: 2.80

(2)OAK -- 2 A-, 6 B, 7 B-, 5 C+ ---------------Top 20: 2.78

(3)ATL -- 1 A-, 3 B+, 3 B, 6 B-, 7 C+ -------- Top 20: 2.75

(4)BOS -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 3 B, 8 B-, 7 C+ --------Top 20: 2.68

(5)TAM -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 11 C+ ------- Top 20: 2.67

(6)KCR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 6 B, 1 B-, 10 C+, 1 C ----Top 20: 2.65

(7)BAL -- 1 A, 3 B+, 1 B, 4 B-, 7 C+, 4 C ---- Top 20: 2.60

(8)SFG -- 1 A, 1 A-,1 B+,1 B, 3 B-, 12 C+, 1 C --Top 20: 2.60

(9)MIN -- 2 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 12 C+ ------------ Top 20: 2.55

(10)MIL -- 1 B+, 5 B, 2 B-, 9 C+, 3 C ---------- Top 20: 2.53

(11)CIN -- 1 B+, 3 B, 4 B-, 10 C+, 2 C --------- Top 20: 2.52

(12)NYY -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 13 C+ ----------- Top 20: 2.50

(13)WAS - 2 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 11 C+, 2 C -------- Top 20: 2.48

(14)PHI -- 3 B, 5 B-, 9 C+, 3 C --------------- Top 20: 2.47

(15)TOR -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 3 B-, 7 C+, 7 C ---- Top 20: 2.42

(16)ARI -- 1 B+, 1 B, 5 B-, 3 C+, 10 C -------- Top 20: 2.40

(17)COL -- 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+, 8 C ---- Top 20: 2.38

(18)CHC --1 B+, 2 B, 1 3 B-. 7 C+, 7 C -------- Top 20: 2.38

(19)CWS -- 2 B+,1 B, 2 B-, 7 C+ and 8 C ------ Top 20: 2.37

Top 10

(1)TEX Top 10: 3.23

(2)OAK Top 10: 3.07

(3)ATL Top 10: 3.07

(4)TAM Top 10: 3.00

(5)KCR Top 10: 3.00

(6)BAL Top 10: 3.00

(7)SF Top 10: 2.90

(8)BOS Top 10: 2.93

(9)MIL Top 10: 2.83

(10)ARI Top 10: 2.80

(11)MIN Top 10: 2.77

(12)CIN Top 10: 2.77

(13)TOR Top 10: 2.73

(14)WAS Top 10: 2.70

(15)PHI Top 10: 2.70

(16)COL Top 10: 2.70

(17)NYM Top 10: 2.67

(18)CHW Top 10: 2.67

(19)CHC Top 10: 2.66

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It's interesting that we may be on the verge of a top 10 farm system with basically no international signs of note.

It's possible we could lose a good number of our "big four" in 2009 from the list and drop back into a middle of the road system unless we have a monster draft, several guys step up or several international signees.

Not sure of the quality of remaining farm systems, but I expect Florida to be ahead of us.

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It's interesting that we may be on the verge of a top 10 farm system with basically no international signs of note.

It's possible we could lose a good number of our "big four" in 2009 from the list and drop back into a middle of the road system unless we have a monster draft, several guys step up or several international signees.

Not sure of the quality of remaining farm systems, but I expect Florida to be ahead of us.

Sometimes farm systems go up and down when prospects graduate.

Like the Reds, who had a top 5 system last year, but most of the players went to the majors like Bruce, Baily, Votto, and Cueto, and now they don't have as good of a system.

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