Kyle Bradish's ineffective fastball

[Hallas]

Statcast has game logs with his pitch movement charted, so I took a look and I'm genuinely confused.  His pitches are pretty evenly distributed between +6 and -6 horizontal movement, with occasional jumps to +/-8.  So he has a cutter and can get up to 8 inches of cut on it, but its either really inconsistent or he can change the amount of cut.  The same movement happens arm-side.  I'd probably say that these are 2 different pitches but his command of both is pretty bad.  Assuming any arm-side movement is a 4 seamer and glove-side movement is a cutter, his average movement is probably -3 on his 4 seamer and +3 on his cutter, which is still pretty low.

[Tony-OH]

5 hours ago, Hallas said:

Statcast has game logs with his pitch movement charted, so I took a look and I'm genuinely confused.  His pitches are pretty evenly distributed between +6 and -6 horizontal movement, with occasional jumps to +/-8.  So he has a cutter and can get up to 8 inches of cut on it, but its either really inconsistent or he can change the amount of cut.  The same movement happens arm-side.  I'd probably say that these are 2 different pitches but his command of both is pretty bad.  Assuming any arm-side movement is a 4 seamer and glove-side movement is a cutter, his average movement is probably -3 on his 4 seamer and +3 on his cutter, which is still pretty low.

Where is this on statcast? I've yet to find a breakdown pitch by pitch in each game.

[Hallas]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Where is this on statcast? I've yet to find a breakdown pitch by pitch in each game.

the best you can do is to go to the game summary, click on the illustrator tab, then change the dropdown from "pitch chart" to either "pitch movement - scatter" or "horizontal movement."

 

You get something like this:

[sevastras]

A number of years back, I tried to tell Guthrie something similar. He didn’t want to listen to me at all and he continued to be a batting practice fastball pitcher. F him

When you throw that hard, all you have to do is change your grip just a bit and instead of throwing darts you are now throwing a ball that moves 11” horizontally. I also tried to show Guthrie the no dot slider and he continued to blow me off. Now look what guys are throwing 12 years later. F that guy and I’m glad his career ended with him not willing to change just a little bit with his grip. 

[Tony-OH]

9 hours ago, Hallas said:

the best you can do is to go to the game summary, click on the illustrator tab, then change the dropdown from "pitch chart" to either "pitch movement - scatter" or "horizontal movement."

 

You get something like this:

Cool, thanks. I wasn't aware that you could break that down in illustrator. I'm going to need to do more research, but it certainly shows he's getting cutting action on some, no movement on show, and arm side run on some. It's very very inconsistent with the key being he's not getting a ton of movement either way.

I need to look at other pitchers to see if this inconsistency is normal.

[Aristotelian]

Hope he has a good start today. Gotta think he is going the same way as Zimmerman if he doesnt turn things around soon.

[RZNJ]

We need a lot of posters to say he's going to suck today to ensure that we get 6 or 7 shutout innings.

[maybenxtyr]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

We need a lot of posters to say he's going to suck today to ensure that we get 6 or 7 shutout innings.

Unfortunately it's a little bit late but yeah, he's going to suck today.

[Pushmonkey]

He needs to go back down to AAA. 

[maybenxtyr]

5 minutes ago, Pushmonkey said:

He needs to go back down to AAA. 

I don't really disagree but I also don't know if that will help him either. They really don't have enough pitching to replace him.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

I don't really disagree but I also don't know if that will help him either. They really don't have enough pitching to replace him.

It might not help him.

Can we keep throwing him out there?

[maybenxtyr]

9 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It might not help him.

Can we keep throwing him out there?

Either way, who are you replacing him with?

 

They did surprise me and send Zimmermann down so who knows.

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

Either way, who are you replacing him with?

 

They did surprise me and send Zimmermann down so who knows.

Hall. 

[Pushmonkey]

12 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

Either way, who are you replacing him with?

 

They did surprise me and send Zimmermann down so who knows.

Watkins? It’s not a great option. 

[maybenxtyr]

47 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Hall. 

Obvious choice.